Is T'Challa a good husband, Ororo a good wife?

[Omegastorm]

Let's see The X-offices have had:

One decent story: World's Apart.
One story where Storm said she was bored with T'challa.
Had another Alt universe story where she murdered him.
And recently accused him of spousal abuse.

Awesome work guys.

Not accused, did, but that's just a fact. That's why it's hard to really critique the X-office. THere isn't enough there to critique except to say they did not do anything with it. Every single one of us agrees with that. The X-office did not do a lot.

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[Umbra]

Can't you read? I never said Hudlin was all bad as a matter of fact I praised Hudlin for his inconsistent good moments just a few posts ago. It's just his best wasn't that great and when taken all together even his best was below par and therefore crap. The X-men anime has nothing to do with this discussion. Whenever the topic of what goes on in comics doesn't go your way you bring in the larger media world. As if the X-men anime is all that important. It was a joke. You won't hear me or anyone defending it. It's best to be forgotten.


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Lol. This is your best comeback? What about the other stuff? Why do you blame BP, and ignore the real problem? Just saying o. See is this what Afro was saying about your tone with BP. You won't defend it, but you are not critical of it either..no where near how you are with BP.

You can't say the same, I'm critical in the extreme with Marvel Editorial and MH office handling of Black Panther. Most of the BP thread regulars are...no sugar coating, baby steps or any of that crap..so I'm not just bashing the X office.

Funny that Mr. Hickman comes out and basically supports all the "crazed" post from the BP thread, where we have been saying it for a long time. You guys focus on shade...that's it like some how BP and Storm breaking up is going to solve her issues.

It's not. They could not even show her as a Queen, as the most powerful mutant on earth! That what it should have been and could still be...she should be the most feared mutant alive for several reasons. Instead, Scott is.

Why do you accept that. If they can't do it now, they never will. She will always just lead one of Scott's teams.

[Brandon McKinnis]

Not accused, did, but that's just a fact. That's why it's hard to really critique the X-office. THere isn't enough there to critique except to say they did not do anything with it. Every single one of us agrees with that. The X-office did not do a lot.

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They didn't just ignore it they actively sought to undermine the idea.

[Brandon McKinnis]

Not accused, did, but that's just a fact. That's why it's hard to really critique the X-office. THere isn't enough there to critique except to say they did not do anything with it. Every single one of us agrees with that. The X-office did not do a lot.

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So in your opinion what do the scenes showing Storm trying to fry BP show? Is that spousal abuse as well? I only ask because we've seen one scene where BP attacked her but prior to that she is the one throwing around all the lightning.

[Talisman]

So in your opinion what do the scenes showing Storm trying to fry BP show? Is that spousal abuse as well? I only ask because we've seen one scene where BP attacked her but prior to that she is the one throwing around all the lightning.

Double standards, and ones that should be addressed.

[marvell2100]

In case you haven't noticed I am blaming the writers. I am very specific about that. My posts haven't been about the imaginal BP character but the writers that didn't do a good job writing Storm. I never said Storm is a bad wife. She's been pretty awesome. Any wife that would risk their immortal soul to save their husband is aces in my book. Right now the only two people having an impact on mutants are Hope and Scott. That's it. Cable who used to have a role in this has none... Why is it whenever anyone brings up her portrayal in BP you all get defensive? Since the X-office did not really write the marriage we can only critique them on their avoidance of it. But that's as far as we can go. We actually have a couple of years of stories to critique with BP, can't with the X-office. This is a thread about the marriage not about Storm's impact on mutantkind.

I guess the same way "you all" get defensive when someone brings up the X-office and their lack of effort to recognize the marriage. And for the record there are plenty of BP fans critical of what's been done to Storm and BP in both the X-books and BP's own title.

Stop painting everyone with the same brush. Doom War sucked for both Storm and T'Challa. And as much as BP fans enjoyed, Liss' run, there were BP fans complaining about the lack of Storm. There are numerous posts in the BP thread to prove it. Just like feel you about Storm I'm sure, BP fans are tired of everyone blaming him for or his writers alone for Storm not being done properly when she hasn't been done properly in the X-Books for ages. I agree with you wholeheartedly about Storm's portrayal in BP sometimes but I don't limit it to just to BP like some unfans do(and I'm not speaking of you specifically). Her appearances everywhere across the entire Marvel U have just sucked lately and there is no BP office, title or writer around to blame to. This isn't a Storm or BP problem, it's a Marvel problem
blame

[marvell2100]

OMG, I'd DIE for him to write him in Avengers...or is Hickman writing a BP solo?

He's doing an arc with BP over in F4 and rumors swirl about him taking over Avengers and BP possibly being a member. No mention of a BP solo...yet .

[Brandon McKinnis]

I guess the same way "you all" get defensive when someone brings up the X-office and their lack of effort to recognize the marriage. And for the record there are plenty of BP fans critical of what's been done to Storm and BP in both the X-books and BP's own title.

Stop painting everyone with the same brush. Doom War sucked for both Storm and T'Challa. And as much as BP fans enjoyed, Liss' run, there were BP fans complaining about the lack of Storm. There are numerous posts in the BP thread to prove it. Just like feel you about Storm I'm sure, BP fans are tired of everyone blaming him for or his writers alone for Storm not being done properly when she hasn't been done properly in the X-Books for ages. I agree with you wholeheartedly about Storm's portrayal in BP sometimes but I don't limit it to just to BP like some unfans do(and I'm not speaking of you specifically). Her appearances everywhere across the entire Marvel U have just sucked lately and there is no BP office, title or writer around to blame to. This isn't a Storm or BP problem, it's a Marvel problem
blame

*Respect knuckles*

[Umbra]

Storm hasn't been written by a BP writer since when? All of her appearances have come from the Avengers or X-Men offices and she hasn't done anything in either. Stop blaming a fictional character forthe demise of another. Storm wasn't the focus in BP, I agree. But she sure as heck wasn't the focus in the X-books either. Even in the one book where she leads, it's an after thought. She has no impactwhatsoever on the future of mutantkind. Is this T'Challa's fault? No. Is it Storms fault that T'Challa isn't on the Avengers team or doing anything significant of late? No.

Does anyone think that T'Challa would write himself as attacking his wife? Does anyone think that Storm would write herself as Scott's lackey? I doubt it. So please stop with the T'Challa is a bad husband Storm is a bad wife mantra. Right now neither Liss, Hudlin or Mayberry are writing these characters. A better question is, how bad are the current writers handling the marriage of Storm and Black Panther? My answer is terrible.

Agreed. I kind of bothered me that she loses guys like Brandon, you know the same people who would have supported her getting a solo. Instead, readers who are new fans are tossed aside? How does that make sense?

Yes, Hickman is the guy. There is also Mr. Yost...

For the Panther soley and Wakanda, those guys and Aaron and even Fraction (I can't believe I just said that, lol) .

[Umbra]

He's doing an arc with BP over in F4 and rumors swirl about him taking over Avengers and BP possibly being a member. No mention of a BP solo...yet .

Yup, and Wakanda saving the Avengers too!

[Talisman]

He's doing an arc with BP over in F4 and rumors swirl about him taking over Avengers and BP possibly being a member. No mention of a BP solo...yet .

I really need to get the rest of the Hickman FF/Fantastic Four stuff. I had to drop a lot of books when I began to move, and with me not working yet, my comics have been pretty limited because of my budget. (ie. no new books until I get a job lol)

[Omegastorm]

They didn't just ignore it they actively sought to undermine the idea.

You are right. They did do that later. They did not initially start out that way. Remember Brubaker, he did not undermine anything. Carey did not undermine anything....You have a point that Ellis undermined and respected the marriage depending on the story. Let's not forget Xeno and how Ellis actually respected the marriage and their interaction even if it was just for a page. The comment about sex and shopping was a joke. Especially when in story T'challa was the one pushing her to come back to the X-men.

Lol. This is your best comeback? What about the other stuff? Why do you blame BP, and ignore the real problem? Just saying o. See is this what Afro was saying about your tone with BP. You won't defend it, but you are not critical of it either..no where near how you are with BP.

That wasn't a comeback. But I really wish you would actually respond to what I write instead of the pre-programmed bias you already have.

You can't say the same, I'm critical in the extreme with Marvel Editorial and MH office handling of Black Panther. Most of the BP thread regulars are...not sugar coating, baby steps or any of that..so I'm not just bashing the X office.

You don't frequent the Storm thread or the other X threads so you wouldn't even know what I say about X-office because I don't bring up my critique here because this place isn't the place for it.

Funny that Mr. Hickman comes out and basically supports all the "crazed" post from the BP thread, where we have been saying it for a long time. You guys focus on shade...that's it like some how BP and Storm breaking up is going to solve her issues.

No not their issues just the problems with the marriage.

It's not. They could not even show her as a Queen, as the most powerful mutant on earth! That what it should have been and could still be...she should be the most feared mutant alive foes several reasons. Instead, Scott is.

Why do you accept that. If they can't do it now, they never will. She will always just lead one of Scott's teams.

Her being queen of Wakanda never really meant that much to me. I have to be honest about that. I always saw it as a little silly considering her history and what she could have been before. T'challa being king of Wakanda was always a bigger deal for his character, Storm did not need that to be one of the most powerful being on the planet. She did not need to be queen to convince the leaders of the 8 most powerful member nations to make her mutants top cop or... Her being queen was cool just not the biggest development for her character.

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[XPac]

Double standards, and ones that should be addressed.

There is admittedly a double standard in regards to men hitting women, and vice versa. If Jan had slapped Hank back in the day, no one would give a dam.

It's also a bit worse in BP's case, because when he's fighting Storm, odds are he's going to hit her. That's the sort of attack his powerset offers. Lighting and wind are a lot less personal, perhaps because it's not something a person can do in real life to their spouse. So T'Challa punching Storm will look worse than Storm zapping BP, even if that's a double standard. The irony there being Storm is actually a much much more powerful character.

But to answer the threads original question... right now (and for the past few years quite frankly), I've felt they have had a poor Marriage. T'Challa IMO isn't being a very good husband (though all the wife beater stuff popping up recently is BS), and Storm is kind of a doormat.

[marvell2100]

Yup, and Wakanda saving the Avengers too!

The saving grace of AvX, lol!

[marvell2100]

I really need to get the rest of the Hickman FF/Fantastic Four stuff. I had to drop a lot of books when I began to move, and with me not working yet, my comics have been pretty limited because of my budget. (ie. no new books until I get a job lol)

I started with Hickman's F4 around #584 and went back to get all of the Premier HC issues that I missed. What a great read! Money well spent, I gotta say. His Secret Warriors is good too.