Is T'Challa a good husband, Ororo a good wife?

[XPac]

Not really.

Just rationalization and justification.


Storm has never preemptively killed..its always been reactionary.

Same for Wakanda..correct me if im wrong..but have wakandans ever killed preemptively..as in we will take out a threat before they strike..simply because they were planning to do something?

Cyclops specifically said we will take out threats before they become a problem/

Yeah, that's certainly a fair distinction.

Wakanda's actions are in self-defense. So maybe the message there is Storm is now okay with the usage of lethal force liberally when attacked... she just doesn't condone it pre-emptively.

Still doesn't feel quite right to me... but I can live with it I guess, since intellectually it makes sense.

[finfangfool]

I don't know if you guys have been reading X-Men comics in the last 5 years, but you don't want Storm front and center. Why not you ask? 'Cause these aren't your daddy's X-Men. They've turned people like Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Xavier, Wolverine, Bishop, Forge, etc. into mindless cackling villains that would (and sometimes does) make Magneto blush. Let Storm hang out with the Avengers, even if it's in the background, until they get their s##t together on the X-side. She may seem like the "moral compass" now, but soon they'll have her changing her mind slowly and compromising her ideals, maybe even give her the Cytorrak's gem for a bit or remove her soul. Trust me, better off as background filler than that.

[Jabare]

Yeah, that's certainly a fair distinction.

Wakanda's actions are in self-defense. So maybe the message there is Storm is now okay with the usage of lethal force liberally when attacked... she just doesn't condone it pre-emptively.

Still doesn't feel quite right to me... but I can live with it I guess, since intellectually it makes sense.

Yeah, that's certainly a fair distinction.

Wakanda's actions are in self-defense. So maybe the message there is Storm is now okay with the usage of lethal force liberally when attacked... she just doesn't condone it pre-emptively.

Still doesn't feel quite right to me... but I can live with it I guess, since intellectually it makes sense.

Going with how the X-men have been written over the last 8 years, and how Marvel has lessened certain characters stances. Namely Captain America and Hawkeye.

Clint use to be totally against killing. And Cap was against firearms. Characters do evolve overtime.

As for Storm, she would never kill in cold blood. but in self defense sure. Storm has never struck me as someone staunchly opposed to violence in all situations, like Spider-Man. She understands things are not always black and white.

I don't know if you guys have been reading X-Men comics in the last 5 years, but you don't want Storm front and center. Why not you ask? 'Cause these aren't your daddy's X-Men. They've turned people like Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Xavier, Wolverine, Bishop, Forge, etc. into mindless cackling villains that would (and sometimes does) make Magneto blush. Let Storm hang out with the Avengers, even if it's in the background, until they get their s##t together on the X-side. She may seem like the "moral compass" now, but soon they'll have her changing her mind slowly and compromising her ideals, maybe even give her the Cytorrak's gem for a bit or remove her soul. Trust me, better off as background filler than that.

Tell me about it. This has been one of my problems with the X-books over the years. I mean the Avengers have their problems, but I really feel like Marvel has taken the X-men in the completely wrong direction.

So I do like the fact that I can read about the X-men characters I like outside of the X-books. I love that Storm shows up in Fantastic Four and the Black Panther books.

Wolverine's in everything, and I'm not a big Wolverine fan, but I enjoy the character when written well.

But just for me personally I can't deal with the direction of current X-books over the last few years

[Global Honored]

Alright. Now I remember why we prevented this thread for so long.
We are going in circles at this point and the battling has only led to quality posters crossing the line despite several pleas from fellow posters and mods alike. Once again I am calling for a ceasefire. Agree to disagree folks and continue to enjoy the characters and comics you choose to. As far as the marriage, for better or worse we will see what becomes of the couple after AvX and the events occurring in Defenders and FF.

Thread closed. You may PM me personally with any questions on the matter. - GH