Do most casual fans think Captain America has powers?

[Saotome]

In the comics, Captain America has peak human abilities usually. Some writrs tend to give him a bit more of a boost than others.

In comics, "peak human" typically means you can punch through a brick wall and bend steel bars with your hands.

For people outside of comics, punching though bricks walls and casually doing the kind of acrobatics that Olympic athletes would be dumbfounded by tends to fall into the "superhuman" category.

Characters Daredevil and Elektra have some pretty amazing strength, durability, and speed feats. These two are supposed to be pretty much the peak of there primes but Steve to have greater feats then them is because he is supposed enhanced to be humanities potential.

And hence his feats come out looking true blue Superhuman. Just like Daredevil and Elektra have feats that look super to normal men. Steve has feats that look super in comparison to Daredevil and Elektra in regards to strength, speed, etc etc.

[DexterSinister]

And if your enjoyment of a story has to do with that...you are a horrible reader.

What's wrong with disliking a story when so many of the wins feel forced. What's wrong from taking enjoyment from different aspects of a story, I really like the idea behind the abilities of Taskmaster because of one throwaway line where he talked about his memory problems when it came from things that had no relevance to fighting. That makes what he is capable of almost believable doesn't mean I dislike characters that have abilities that are justified with "because of magic" it just means I like a bit of structure, I don't need to think about it when Supes knocks back the monster that just took a tank shell to the face but I will go WTF when Cap does the same.

In the Avengers movie Cap was handled incredibly well because he was never shoehorned into fights that where way out of his league and while the big hitters took out the big bads he ensured people where safe on the ground. I read the first arc of the new JL and rather than fight Darkseid with exploding batarangs Bats went went on a spot of infiltration.

[trewgod]

I am relativly sure that the Infinity-Formula which was given to 616 Fury and later some of his pals has nothing to do with the SSS. Ultimate Nick Fury, was given the SSS and was the first to survive. The superstrength wore off and he ended up slightly enhanced and stopped aging.
Also back in 616 a dying Mockingbird was given a variant, that nazis had created in the 50ties. A recreation and combination of both the SuperSoldierSerum and the Infinity Formula. So it is two different things.

And if we ignore 'what if' stuff like 1602, it is possible that Cap will age, much like the Destroyer(who took a variant of the SSS at a slowed down pace), but nontheless.

i thought for sure it was created as to be another attempt at the sss.

[Walter West]

"Peak human" might as well be superpowers. Nobody in the world is "peak human". Imagine a guy who can run faster than Usain Bolt, have greater endurance than Vladimir Klitschko, better reflexes than Bruce Lee and is stronger than ... a really good weightlifter. I'd call that "superhuman", so I would certainly say Cap has powers.

Wladimir doesn't have great endurance for a boxer. That's why he paces himself.

[Walter West]

Could the same person do the both since the muscle and physical structure requirements are so different? The Chatertistic that make a person cab;lle of lifting great wights for example make real agility and flexibility impossible. How may sprinter have you seem that can bench even twice their body weight?

Ben Johnson.

[davew128]

Ben Johnson.

Did he? I seem to recall he could do about 330 while on steroids, but I don't think that was twice his body weight.

[StoneGold]

That´s a quite lame excuse. Caps isn´t supposed to have superhuman strength; he shouldn´t be at risk of killing them unless he hits lethal points.

You're at risk of killing/maiming someone in any encounter. Period. Anyone is. Hit a guy, they stumble, hit their head on a wall, lights out. Never mind "lethal points."

[StoneGold]

i thought for sure it was created as to be another attempt at the sss.

According to Hickman's SHIELD book, the Infinity Formula predates the SSS. Issac Newton apparently created it sometime prior to 1652, I kid you not.

[KingofMadCows]

I think peak human really means what the best athletes are capable of if they were also on every type of performance enhancing drug you can think of. Like if Usain Bolt was on steroids, cocaine, and blood doping, he would probably run as fast as Captain America.

[davew128]

I think peak human really means what the best athletes are capable of if they were also on every type of performance enhancing drug you can think of. Like if Usain Bolt was on steroids, cocaine, and blood doping, he would probably run as fast as Captain America.

Cocaine inhibits athletic performance.

[Lord Bravery]

Characters Daredevil and Elektra have some pretty amazing strength, durability, and speed feats. These two are supposed to be pretty much the peak of there primes but Steve to have greater feats then them is because he is supposed enhanced to be humanities potential.

And hence his feats come out looking true blue Superhuman. Just like Daredevil and Elektra have feats that look super to normal men. Steve has feats that look super in comparison to Daredevil and Elektra in regards to strength, speed, etc etc.

Well i wouldn't say Steve has better speed feats than Daredevil. Daredevil plays with bullets. He casually bats them away with his billy club, which is about an inch thick.

[Grendel01]

Well i wouldn't say Steve has better speed feats than Daredevil. Daredevil plays with bullets. He casually bats them away with his billy club, which is about an inch thick.

I think, that has more to do with his supersenses/radarsense and the edge they give him and only then with his reflexes.
As far as DD/Cap comparisons go, DD himself has admitted that Cap is stronger and faster than him.

There is that one scene in the 'Born Again' saga, after Nuke(another supersoldier) destroyed Hells Kitchen, where Captain America moves past a running Matt Murdoch, who senses that not just Captain America is faster than him, but according to his superhearing, Cap has a completly calm heartbeat. He is running faster than an Olympia athlete, but according to his heartbeat, he is practical standing still. Makes you wonder what he has to do to get his heartbeat rate up.

But that story already pretty much spells out that Cap is superhuman and a notch above most streetlevel characters.

[Lord Bravery]

That's a fair point with DD's super senses helping out with bullet dodging and what not.

And yea Cap effectively has unlimited stamina.

[Saotome]

I think, that has more to do with his supersenses/radarsense and the edge they give him and only then with his reflexes.
As far as DD/Cap comparisons go, DD himself has admitted that Cap is stronger and faster than him.

There is that one scene in the 'Born Again' saga, after Nuke(another supersoldier) destroyed Hells Kitchen, where Captain America moves past a running Matt Murdoch, who senses that not just Captain America is faster than him, but according to his superhearing, Cap has a completly calm heartbeat. He is running faster than an Olympia athlete, but according to his heartbeat, he is practical standing still. Makes you wonder what he has to do to get his heartbeat rate up.

But that story already pretty much spells out that Cap is superhuman and a notch above most streetlevel characters.

Yeah pretty much Cap has better/similar speed feats to Daredevil as to racing against Matt as he streaked by him like a breeze of air. Pretty much seals the deal but then Daredevil admitting Cap is faster is like the sugar on top.

[Lord Bravery]

Travel speed is different to reflex speed though. It's like Usain Bolt and Bruce Lee. Who is quicker?