You know, after re-reading the original post that got this thread rolling, while I disagree with the notion that the Nolan Batman films are the only one's out there to capture the essence of the character (for me, there are too many elements incorporated in the movies that were introduced in the 70s to make a claim that somehow the Nolan movies are just channeling the original 1939 intent), I personally find the to be the most entertaining Batman films ever done. The only character element I really miss in these films is Batman's detective skills.
"You see, but you do not observe."
I agree with the lack of the Detective element; Batman is the dark knight, but he is also the world's greatest detective. All this considered, Nolan should be given credit, comic book movies are not easy to make well. Now, if only we could something about Bale's Batman voice.
The scene at the end of the dark knight with two face, Gordon and Batman was one of the most powerful of the entire movie. But every time Batman spoke I felt distracted by how forced and unnatural he sounded, it took away from the emotional power of the dialogue. I don't expect Bale to sound like Kevin Conroy, but I would like something a little less distracting. The only time his Batman voice worked for me was in the interrogation scene withe Joker.
My problem with the Bat voice is that yea, it's forced, it's unnatural. He's trying too hard. Batman should come to Bruce Wayne almost subconsciously. But with that voice he's consciously trying to sound scary or something.
Keaton's Batman was more frightening with just a glare and a whisper than Bale can ever be with his over the top histrionics.
Yea, people go on about him not being this great physical specimen, which is a fair complaint. But i think he made up for it with the subtleties to his performance. You could see the pain and anger in his eyes. There was just something about him that made him creepy and intimidating that i don't think any other Batman actor has really been able to do.
Bale's obviously great with the physicality of the role. Specifically in Begins. But eh, like i said, i just think he tries a bit too hard to be intimidating.
"You see, but you do not observe."
I have a problem with both, actually, which is why I vastly prefer TDK. Also, in regards to ninjas, they ARE awesome (in fact, Ninja Assassin is probably one of my favorite guilty pleasure movies), but that's not all of what Batman is.Well ninjas are awesome. But anyway, the point of Begins was using fear as a weapon, becoming truly invisible, etc. etc. Maybe you don't like these things, but this is a problem you would have with the whole concept of a huge chunk of the movie, not Ra's training him.
Which is a shame because this (along with Lucius seemingly doing most of the true detective work, himself) really undercuts just how smart Batman should be.Also, I'll add that he IS a detective, but he uses technology and CSI, not Sherlock Holmes powers of observation and deduction.
And after the CC was abandoned, DC stuck with it and many, many great stories have been published centering around that as dark and gritty as he is, this is one line he will never cross.Hardly a "core essence of the character" especially when the original Batman didn't mind killing. The idea of an absolute, no-killing rule was just a contrived product of the Comics Code.
This is probably my second biggest complaint about the suit. He was trained all that time by ninjas and he's wearing a suit that gives absolutely no indication of any of that at all.The choreography in Nolan's Batman movies thus far has been beyond terrible.
Side note, when I went to see this movie in the theaters, there were actually people booing when Batman saved The Joker at the end of TDK. Booing! Seriously, wtf, man? Some people just do not get the character at all...
Sorry about the onslaught of posts, btw. Kind of a slow news day. :)