Thank God for Nolan and Batman Begins.

[AJM]

Forcing the glamorous, noir styled, flamboyant Dark Knight into hyper realistic situations does not work.

"Does not work"? It worked for Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli when they wrote one of the most popular Batman comics of all time. Not to mention Nolan's The Dark Knight has made over a billion dollars . . . so something's clearly working.

I love Batman Begins – it's the only movie where Batman's origin is given the emotional depth it deserves – and i think The Dark Knight is good but flawed; it's a movie full of cool scenes that doesn't quite come together as a whole. And now, having seen that amazing Catwoman MTV trailer, i'm VERY excited about The Dark Knight Rises.

[Dick/babs]

What Nolan did not understand that the Batman is a realistic character in a unrealistic world

[edge007]

"Does not work"? It worked for Frank Miller and David Mazzucchelli when they wrote one of the most popular Batman comics of all time. Not to mention Nolan's The Dark Knight has made over a billion dollars . . . so something's clearly working.

I love Batman Begins – it's the only movie where Batman's origin is given the emotional depth it deserves – and i think The Dark Knight is good but flawed; it's a movie full of cool scenes that doesn't quite come together as a whole. And now, having seen that amazing Catwoman MTV trailer, i'm VERY excited about The Dark Knight Rises.

See, I feel exactly the opposite in terms of BB and TDK. I really didn't care for BB in the least. They just tampered with Batman's origin too much, IMHO. He wasn't even a detective, anymore, just a ninja in high-tech armor. TDK, however, like I said, while I don't consider it a great Batman/superhero movie, is certainly one helluva crime flick!

[Mr. Holmes]

Batman is hardly a detective in the comics either.

[Hal Baby]

See, I feel exactly the opposite in terms of BB and TDK. I really didn't care for BB in the least. They just tampered with Batman's origin too much, IMHO. He wasn't even a detective, anymore, just a ninja in high-tech armor. TDK, however, like I said, while I don't consider it a great Batman/superhero movie, is certainly one helluva crime flick!

Maybe so but they at LEAST did the right thing by devoting the majority of the screentime to Bruce Wayne/Batman instead of the villian.lol.Because of that and because they devoted so much time to his origin story,you could understand WHY he fought crime and why he dressed up like a Bat instead of devoting so little time to his origin story that the only thing that many Batman fans got out of it the first time around back in the late 80's, was that he was sad about the death of his parents.lol.

Batman Forever did the best job prior to Batman Begins to giving you an idea of it all which is one of the reasons why its really the only halfway decent Batman film from the previous ones made from the 80's and 90's.They kinda got into it but Begins REALLY explained it all so well.

We also got to see as well the true martial artist he is as well how he can handle many thugs at one time with no problem.Thats the important thing that they really needed to establish and they did a great job of that.

[josh straightedge]

I will always look upon Burton's first Batman movie as my favorite. I think Begins takes a bit too long to get going and overall, I don't like Bale, especially his awful Bat-voice. Michael Keaton was the man.

[Etoma]

BB and TDK are good movies, but they are diluted so the non-comic fan can take them down easily. I can understand that, after all the target audience for comic book movies is not comic book fans. But I am a comic book fan, and watching Nolan's movies requires I suspend a lot of what I know and love about Batman, and that's very distracting. Nolan wants Batman to fit into the 'real' world, he is not suppose to. He is Batman, nothing like him exists in the real world.

[Aziz Abbasi]

Should I say next I'm not a true Iron Man fan cause I liked the idea of the repulsor technology in his chest instead of wearing a chest plate with a magnet then the shrapnel gets surgically removed? Or I'm not a true Hulk fan cause I enjoy the idea of imitating super soldier serum with adding gamma effect instead of having him over-doused by radiation he got hit by after saving a kid from being bombarded with his own designed bomb?
True fan concept, pfft

Anyway, the first Burton Batman movie is my favorite film, period, best costume, greatest actor imo to portray the character, best looking bat-mobile, still a highly enjoyable story to watch
Nolan's Batman films are awesome too, they removed certain silliness acceptable in classic comics, but not in current comics nor in other media, like hitting Harvey with a vat of acid in the face in the trial of Salvator Maroni. As far as second and third favorite Batman movie goes I constantly juggle between those two

BB and TDK are good movies, but they are diluted so the non-comic fan can take them down easily. I can understand that, after all the target audience for comic book movies is not comic book fans. But I am a comic book fan, and watching Nolan's movies requires I suspend a lot of what I know and love about Batman, and that's very distracting. Nolan wants Batman to fit into the 'real' world, he is not suppose to. He is Batman, nothing like him exists in the real world.

Seriously, Nolan's Batman is fantasy with hints of realism, not the other way around, like most believe

[Etoma]

Fantasy? Where is the fantasy?

[Aziz Abbasi]

Fantasy? Where is the fantasy?

For starters, Bruce still had the chance to buy his stocks, and he was away for six years, presumed dead
In a short time he advanced a lot in his ninja class, prodigy or not, he advanced real quick
The way Batman moved fast in the pier putting on that relatively heavy suit
The tumbler, it's owned by a civilian
The bat darts, he tossed one and it hit several light bulbs in a row
Batman hanging on a plane carrying a guy all the way from Hong Kong to Gotham
Joker gets all these hits and keeps laughing then moves as if nothing hit him

Etc etc....

[godzilla2099]

Not including Bale, I liked Nolan's Work. I loved TDK. I thought Batman Begins was alright. I didn't find anything original or extremely different to make it stand out.

But I loved Burton's Work the most. It had more different ideas that worked out and to me, there were more "Holy Sh!t" moments with them

[Etoma]

For starters, Bruce still had the chance to buy his stocks, and he was away for six years, presumed dead
In a short time he advanced a lot in his ninja class, prodigy or not, he advanced real quick
The way Batman moved fast in the pier putting on that relatively heavy suit
The tumbler, it's owned by a civilian
The bat darts, he tossed one and it hit several light bulbs in a row
Batman hanging on a plane carrying a guy all the way from Hong Kong to Gotham
Joker gets all these hits and keeps laughing then moves as if nothing hit him

Etc etc....

Those are the kinds of liberties and inaccuracies that are prevalent in almost every movie, especially movies that contain an element of action. I wouldn't categorize the Bourne movies as science fiction because they take liberties with their presentation of technology; for me, that tag belongs to films like Promethus. But then again, I suppose it's a matter of perspective.

[Mr. Holmes]

Do people really think the League of Shadows is supposed to be real world?

[Predator jp]

those Ninjas in Begins are pure fantasy. some americans probaly don't know this but Ninjas don't exist in the 'real' world.

[NuBatFan]

Plus whats up with using Bane as his next villain? he is the lamest villain in the Batman universe.He could easily have come up with a much better villain than him.Thats like spiderman using The Spot as a villian in a movie.

Has The Spot ever been featured in a Spidey comic that was iconic? Because I'm pretty sure Knightfall is one of the most famous Bat stories ever told. Even if people only know one thing about it, it's that a dude named Bane broke Batman.

I mean, the very idea that Ledger's stringy-haired, Glasgow smile Joker is more "faithful" than Nicholson's fairly traditional get-up is pretty absurd.

As my username would imply I am a "new" Batman fan, at least when it comes to teh comics which I'm trying to read a bunch of right now.

I mentioned Knightfall which I'm currently reading the entire "Saga" of. I read Dixon's story with Director Joker and "The Death of Batman" film. It was hilarious in a demented sort of way and that was clearly the point.

I know The Joker is a threat and all but I grew up with Nicholson's and Hammil's Joker. That comic I referenced plus those adaptations shaped an image in my mind of a villain who is equal parts funny and dangerous.

Ledger Joker was not funny. I didn't even find him that creepy. It might have been the fact I was very young when I saw the movie but the part in Batman '89 where Joker electrocutes the mobster so that there's nothing left but a charred, smoking skeleton... That was horrifying. And yet, it was also pretty damn funny now I look back at it.

I'm no one to judge what is and is not "true" to Batman but I honestly have more fun watching Burton Batman than I do Nolan. I blame this more on the fact I don't like Baleman though.

Ya know I've also had a guy tell me that while he liked Burton's movies, he didn't think they worked for regular ol' Batman. He said he'd like to see a Burton film adaptation of some Elsewords' story called Gotham by Gaslight. I haven't read it though.