How confusing was it getting into old DCU

[Lexrules]

I don't get this line of thinking. If people don't want to put effort into what they do to escape, they are lazy?

Can't afford it? Don't have the time? Don't have the "downtime"? LAZY!

I am a new reader and am very happy I started when I did. I grew up a Batman and Marvel fan. When I decided to start reading comics, I stayed away from Marvel, for the most part, because the history was very intimidating. I don't have the money or time to invest in figuring out the Marvel universe. I don't read comic books as a chore, I read them for 20-30 minutes a night before I go to bed, to unwind.

So, call us casual, fine. But lazy? (And from a guy doing his research while being paid to do something else?) Nah.

You have it easy. Now a days you could just put on your computer to look up your favorite characters history. I'm not understanding your argument and yes it is lazy when I have been working for 25+ years with a family and still have time to research the things I love because learning its history helps you better understand where it came from and where it is going. In other words better enhances your enjoyment of what you love.

[PennyDreadful]

It wasn't hard getting into the old DCU, due to, I dunno, online resources.

That said, I wish DC would do what Marvel does, and include a page with a brief rundown of characters and a synopsis of what went before. Otherwise, they'll feel the urge to reboot AGAIN to give their readers a jumping on point. (Don't get any ideas, guys!)

[Concept Coop]

You have it easy. Now a days you could just put on your computer to look up your favorite characters history. I'm not understanding your argument and yes it is lazy when I have been working for 25+ years with a family and still have time to research the things I love because learning its history helps you better understand where it came from and where it is going. In other words better enhances your enjoyment of what you love.

You don't understand what the term lazy means, then. I worked my way through school and am far from lazy.

It is pretty ironic to claim someone is lazy for not putting more "effort" into their hobby.

If you are more devoted to the hobby than I - fine, I am a more casual reader than you. But clearly, that is not reason to call someone lazy.

[tony ingram]

You don't understand what the term lazy means, then. I worked my way through school and am far from lazy.

It is pretty ironic to claim someone is lazy for not putting more "effort" into their hobby.

If you are more devoted to the hobby than I - fine, I am a more casual reader than you. But clearly, that is not reason to call someone lazy.

Possibly. But I'd still say if you're that "casual", you've no right to accuse comics of being "confusing".

[Lexrules]

You don't understand what the term lazy means, then. I worked my way through school and am far from lazy.

It is pretty ironic to claim someone is lazy for not putting more "effort" into their hobby.

If you are more devoted to the hobby than I - fine, I am a more casual reader than you. But clearly, that is not reason to call someone lazy.

Well, I'm a firm believer that if you love something or even enjoy it you learn as much about it as you can. I think it makes your enjoyment even more so to learn everything you can about what you love. I guess to each his own but I have a different mindset then you when it comes to what I think is lazy and what isn't.

[tony ingram]

Well, I'm a firm believer that if you love something or even enjoy it you learn as much about it as you can. I think it makes your enjoyment even more so to learn everything you can about what you love. I guess to each his own but I have a different mindset then you when it comes to what I think is lazy and what isn't.

I'm with you on that.

[Concept Coop]

Possibly. But I'd still say if you're that "casual", you've no right to accuse comics of being "confusing".

Confusing is relative. What is confusing to you and what is confusing to me are very different things.

You resent a change made by a comic book company, and channel that resentment to new readers. You seem to be missing the point: the re-tool did exactly what it was inteded to do - something that the old DCU couldn't come close to - it gave a massive jumping on point, in both stories and collections. The fact that I can collect 1- of my favorite comic is very appealing to me.

So, be mad at DC for reaching out to new readers. I think that is ignorant and obtuse, but that is relative too.

[FoxMulder2012]

I got into DC Comics around 2003-2004ish. Back at that time, DC was very reader friendly without pandering. It was also before Identity Crisis, which I point to as one of the driving forces in the constant events that have been occurring at both DC and Marvel. Those don't exactly help new readers coming on. But anyways, at that time, DC (as would Marvel) would periodically announce jumping on points for new readers, which is how I got on. But those seemed to dry up and also it's hard to advertise those to the general public.

[Concept Coop]

Well, I'm a firm believer that if you love something or even enjoy it you learn as much about it as you can. I think it makes your enjoyment even more so to learn everything you can about what you love. I guess to each his own but I have a different mindset then you when it comes to what I think is lazy and what isn't.

If you raised a family, then you wasted valuable time that could have been spent on what you love. Unless you know every nook and crany of every DCU - you're lazy. I love it, so I know it all. I only stop reading to sleep, so I can dream about it.

If you're not on my level, you're lazy!

[davidn15]

Continuity is intimidating at first but it's best to just jump right in. You'll find your way to old books if you're interested. The only thing that confused me when I got into DC was the multiverse, and it just wasn't a factor in the books I was reading.

[Master X]

I think the people that say it was too complicated to get into weren't really trying at all. They're in the same position now for craps sake! There's still a history of the character they need to know, except now NOBODY knows what the hell it is. Now it's just some random thing they make up month to month instead of something a reader can look up easily.

[Lexrules]

If you raised a family, then you wasted valuable time that could have been spent on what you love. Unless you know every nook and crany of every DCU - you're lazy. I love it, so I know it all. I only stop reading to sleep, so I can dream about it.

If you're not on my level, you're lazy!

Your missing my point. When you have something you enjoy you go all out or you don't go at all. There is no half way in life. Better to have to much knowledge then not enough. That goes for anything in life even when it comes to reading a comic book. The more knowledge you have the better off you are.

[davidn15]

I think the people that say it was too complicated to get into weren't really trying at all. They're in the same position now for craps sake! There's still a history of the character they need to know, except now NOBODY knows what the hell it is. Now it's just some random thing they make up month to month instead of something a reader can look up easily.

Outside of the Bat and Green Lantern books there isn't anything the reader needs to know. The history isn't there and isn't important. It might be important to a continuity buff but if you're someone who just wants good stories this is a very easy time to get in.

[Concept Coop]

Now it's just some random thing they make up month to month instead of something a reader can look up easily.

I haven't felt the need to look anything up, in the New 52.

[davidn15]

Your missing my point son. When you have something you enjoy you go all out or you don't go at all. There is no half way in life. Better to have to much knowledge then not enough. That goes for anything in life even reading a comic book.

I agree it is better to go all out, but it doesn't mean everyone is capable. People have more important commitments than comics.