AVX COMMENTARY TRACK - Hickman on #4, Plus Bonus Features!

[CBR News]

Writer Jonathan Hickman joins CBR News for the latest AvX COMMENTARY TRACK for insight and commentary on the pivotal "AvX" #4, plus more behind-the-scenes Bonus Features!


Full article here.

[XPac]

It's interesting to note that Hickman is saying it's a mistake to assume Logan isn't willing to do what needs to be done (which presumably means killing Hope). Hickman even says he knows it's a mistake.

In the mind of one of the architects at least, Logan hasn't had as much of a change of heart as some of the tie-ins imply.

[Mark_S]

It's interesting to note that Hickman is saying it's a mistake to assume Logan isn't willing to do what needs to be done (which presumably means killing Hope). Hickman even says he knows it's a mistake.

In the mind of one of the architects at least, Logan hasn't had as much of a change of heart as some of the tie-ins imply.

One of the architects. Doesn't mean the rest of them will go along with that view. Sorry but try as I might I can't see anything in this series yet but marketing driven fights and this interview seems to be part of the marketing strategy. I'm desperately trying to find something in all of this to like and so far... nothing.

Mark_S

[XPac]

One of the architects. Doesn't mean the rest of them will go along with that view.

Mark_S

True. Though I assume he knows what will happen in the story though, since he's one of the 5 guys that's writing it.

It's the tie in's he seems to be somewhat in the dark about.

[Mark_S]

What I get mostly from this is that Hickman and the marvel writers just love the moral middle ground where everyone is wrong and everyone is right. I find that frustrating in that for that concept to work in this story emotional maturity and intelligence has to be thrown out the window and the characters have to act like five year olds.

Mark_S

[ShaunN]

There is one big problem with this whole series: it is unbelievably stupid. And the pity is that it does not need to be. Given that Hickman does some of the smartest stuff Marvel puts out, he is probably aware of the problem but can't do much about it.

A few problems with the series: well, one nitpick: Wolverine is dropped in the Antarctic. So, why is he hauling around a dead polar bear?

Is it too much to ask for consistent characterization? What each character seems to believe seems to change from issue to issue.

The biggest problems: the Avengers come across like idiots without a plan; the X-Men come across even worse - as vicious racists who care nothing about the other human beings on the planet so long as mutants "achieve their destiny".

The Avengers: what are they trying to achieve? At least explain this! Grabbing Hope and taking her off-world might make sense if the Avengers believe they can lure the Phoenix away from Earth that way. But, otherwise, their "strategy" makes no sense. They already know that the Phoenix is destroying worlds without an avatar - why wouldn't it come to Earth and devastate the whole place and then continue its search for its avatar? Give us some logic! Please!

The X-Men: as I said, they come across as vicious racists. They know that the Phoenix is destroying worlds across the universe. Magneto got a clear sense of this in the first "AvX". So, they should know that the Avengers are concerned about a real threat. So far, though, not a single leading XMan seems to have processed this. Instead, they are following Cyclops' "gut feeling" that the Phoenix must mean something good for mutants - so, let it come, no matter what it is doing elsewhere and what that may mean for the billions of people of Earth. They are willing to risk everyone's life to achieve their own goals.

The really annoying thing is that there is an obvious out here and a way to have these teams fight while still having a legitimate disagreement over strategy that doesn't make them look like idiots or racists. The XMen could argue that the best thing to do is let the Phoenix find its avatar. They know from the experience with Rachel that the Phoenix can be controlled and they could argue that this is the best option. The Avengers could say,"yes, let's let the Phoenix possess its avatar, but then we have to lock her away someplace until we are sure it can be controlled". Both of these would be legitimate positions that could still be defensible and still be grounds for the big fight that Marvel wants.

For myself, I hope the Avengers win. They may be idiots, but at least they are not racists.

[fin5]

Great I Love thease

[x-men_always_win]

If Emma can eaves drop on Cap, why couldn't she just knock his ass out of AvX???? Stupid!

[mikekerrIII]

the bit with tgoad was sleazy, both what we now know to be Emma's actions and the writers take on it being OK becasue it was just Toad. I had thought that Toad would simply have volunteered

[XPac]

the bit with tgoad was sleazy, both what we now know to be Emma's actions and the writers take on it being OK becasue it was just Toad. I had thought that Toad would simply have volunteered

It's more in-character for Emma to not ask.

[mikekerrIII]

It's more in-character for Emma to not ask.

It hasn't been for years Not with here own folks at least.

Hickmans comments were what I found more objectionable

[Jackraow21]

It's interesting to note that Hickman is saying it's a mistake to assume Logan isn't willing to do what needs to be done (which presumably means killing Hope). Hickman even says he knows it's a mistake.

In the mind of one of the architects at least, Logan hasn't had as much of a change of heart as some of the tie-ins imply.

I don't think he was referring to Logan killing Hope per se, but rather him being willing to betray her and still side with the Avengers (who he thinks is in the right) despite he and Cap's falling out last issue. That's what I took from his comment anyway.

Regardless, I don't care about any of this anymore and am just waiting for Cable to show up and kick some ass. Until that happens I remain bored with this event and Wolverine's flip-flopping wussiness...once upon a time this guy would've killed the Avengers for trying to take a mutant, especially an X-man, someplace against his or her will.

[XPac]

I don't think he was referring to Logan killing Hope per se, but rather him being willing to betray her and still side with the Avengers (who he thinks is in the right) despite he and Cap's falling out last issue. That's what I took from his comment anyway.

Regardless, I don't care about any of this anymore and am just waiting for Cable to show up and kick some ass. Until that happens I remain bored with this event and Wolverine's flip-flopping wussiness...once upon a time this guy would've killed the Avengers for trying to take a mutant, especially an X-man, someplace against his or her will.

I think Logan is actually pretty consistant in regards to the side he ended up on. I don't think there's been a single Phoenix avatar or host on earth Logan hasn't tried to kill at one point or another. So his side was somewhat predictable.

[pharoahe22]

I think Logan is actually pretty consistant in regards to the side he ended up on. I don't think there's been a single Phoenix avatar or host on earth Logan hasn't tried to kill at one point or another. So his side was somewhat predictable.

This ^^^. Wolverine isn't flip-flopping at all, and this is not out of character for him. Because of what happened with Jean, he thinks that the Phoenix is uncontrollable and that what the X-men are trying is too risky. I happen to agree with him. In my opinion, the X-men are acting almost as crazy over this Phoenix thing as the mind-controlled Kree were in Secret Avengers...and I'm actually probably more of an X-men fan in general.

[Comicbookfan]

This Series has re-ignited my love for the x-men! i am glued to this series! I love it! Team X-Men all the Way Cyclops is like walking this tight rope, he might be the best hero ever or the worlds biggest villain i love it!