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    Quote Originally Posted by americanwonder View Post
    Like I said above, "wandering " Zeus + an island full of women. I don't know about you, but it makes more sense to me that Hera would be watching that island very closely.
    Why would she? It's like watching antilopes (or rather 1 single out of a heard) for a lion attack. Besides if Hera is watching PI sorely for the chance to catch Zeus with his pants down, well then he is free to roam the rest of the world where there are far more women who'd welcome his presence much more readily). Added it appeared her pool could only show one thing at a time and Zeus would most likely hide himself from her regardless.

    No, I think Hera has simply reached a point where she has given up trying to stop Zeus actually doing what he does (she cant stop him anyways) and has resigned herself to murdering the mothers and the children he produces this way when he isn't looking (one of the old myths had Zeus hang her upside down from Olympus for her attempt at murdering one of his mistress').

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximum Impact View Post
    Pre-Crisis Wonder Woman had almost as many sci-fi elements as Superman. The Amazons had ray guns and spaceships, Purple Healing Rays and Mental Radios. Why aren't they allowed to have advanced technology now?
    I can answer that one for you. Because at some point someone realised that the Amazons lacked the means to possess such marvels. To possess such marvels you need industry, skills based on previous knowledge (which is an extension of industry) & manufacturing which comes from removing a finite supply of resources, to instigate that long line of industry. none of that can be achieved by an insular society, with limited to no resources. Its just physicially impossible. Even if the gods suddenly decided to give them advance science (which is unlikely), they would still lack the means to create them themselves. They lack for the manufacturing, or the resources to manufacture.

    Or to put it more succinctly: Why don't you wake up in the morning and discover that you have evolved into a creature of sentient light? Because thats not how evolution works.

    Same thing, but add the word "societal" before the word evolution & you've got your answer.
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    You're forgetting magic in general and the Magic Sphere in particular.



    The Magic Sphere was a large disk-shaped device located in Queen Hippolyta's palace on Paradise Island. After Hippolyta and her loyal warriors overthrew Hercules and cast off their shackles of slavery, the Goddess of Wisdom, Athena, gave them the Magic Sphere enabling them to monitor events in the outside world. They brought the Sphere with them as they established a new home for themselves on Paradise Island.

    Over the centuries, the Amazons used the Sphere as an educational tool. By tapping into its mystical properties, they could see into the future, as well as the past and slowly monitor mankind's progress. Through this device, the Amazons successfully advanced their own culture and developed modern technological marvels far superior to that of the world outside them.


    You can glean a lot of information from a device that allows you the see into the past and watch how something is created, and into the future for the reverse engineering of upcoming technologies.
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    With that thing anyone can get high tech, so it's not so admirable that the Amazons were so advanced if they used cheat codes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Hurt View Post
    With that thing anyone can get high tech, so it's not so admirable that the Amazons were so advanced if they used cheat codes.
    Selling your children for weapons certainly isn't admirable. Besides, I'd rather have respect, and it's hard to garner that when your highest technological accomplishment is the discovery of fire. Seriously the current Amazons make Gilligan's Island look like Coruscant in the Star Wars movies. Admiration doesn't keep invaders off your island. And it definitely doesn't keep the oil in your tiki torch, or the rain out your wigwam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximum Impact View Post
    . Admiration doesn't keep invaders off your island.
    No, but heads mounted on pikes will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside_85 View Post
    No, but heads mounted on pikes will.
    How would that deter a paratrooper, the smell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelly_warrior_princess View Post
    I can answer that one for you. Because at some point someone realised that the Amazons lacked the means to possess such marvels. To possess such marvels you need industry, skills based on previous knowledge (which is an extension of industry) & manufacturing which comes from removing a finite supply of resources, to instigate that long line of industry. none of that can be achieved by an insular society, with limited to no resources. Its just physicially impossible. Even if the gods suddenly decided to give them advance science (which is unlikely), they would still lack the means to create them themselves. They lack for the manufacturing, or the resources to manufacture.

    Or to put it more succinctly: Why don't you wake up in the morning and discover that you have evolved into a creature of sentient light? Because thats not how evolution works.

    Same thing, but add the word "societal" before the word evolution & you've got your answer.
    Wakanda was able to pull it off. I know, different universe, but fiction is fiction.

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    Technology comes mainly by necessity. These Amazons are warriors, but it seems that they don't fight enemies too often. Then why would they feel the need to improve their weapons, if the ones they own are effective enough against their enemies? It applies to other technology too. If they feel comfortable with their stuff, why would they focus in improving? They value traditions. Think about indigenous tribes. There were some who were more advanced, but there are many who don't feel the need to be.
    Develop technology just because they are bored? Amazons prefer to train in fighting skills in their free time.
    Besides, it gives a different perspective in UDC, where many books embraces technology.
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    In my little Wonder Woman bible/story, the amazons would have tech. I don't see why not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don-Jack View Post
    Technology comes mainly by necessity. These Amazons are warriors, but it seems that they don't fight enemies too often. Then why would they feel the need to improve their weapons, if the ones they own are effective enough against their enemies? It applies to other technology too. If they feel comfortable with their stuff, why would they focus in improving? They value traditions. Think about indigenous tribes. There were some who were more advanced, but there are many who don't feel the need to be.
    Develop technology just because they are bored? Amazons prefer to train in fighting skills in their free time.
    Besides, it gives a different perspective in UDC, where many books embraces technology.
    But look, sometime societies try to keep ahead of their enemies. It's not because your weapond can defeat the enemy now, in the future the same weapons will defeat the enemy tomorrow. I can't believe they won't try to do better things.

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    Yeah, but like I said, they value the traditional. And people didn't even like Diana using guns in issue #8 cover, but overall accept the using of a sword (as long as it's not too often). It's because guns don't fit well. As high-tech weapons being used by these Amazons don't seem fitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Augie Pires View Post
    In my little Wonder Woman bible/story, the amazons would have tech. I don't see why not.
    Good for you. What lacks in the mainstream finds itself in fanfiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MB99 View Post
    Wakanda was able to pull it off. I know, different universe, but fiction is fiction.
    MB99 i gave a list of reasons why not. I'm now going to take those reasons & compare them to your Wakanda hypothesis.

    FEATURES NEEDED TO PRODUCE TECHNOLOGY
    industry
    skills based on previous knowledge (which is an extension of industry)
    manufacturing capabilities
    removing a finite supply of resources

    Paradise island lacks for: Industry, skills based on previous knowledge (which is an extension of industry), manufacturing capabilities & natural resources capable of getting them to a point where advance manufacturing is possible.

    Wakanda has: Industry, skills based on previous knowledge, manufacturing capabilities & the ability to source considerable resources due to possession of a finite, but powerful mineral found almost no where else in the world. Also Wakanda while its rather insular, it still has contact with the outside world, including a basic transference of skills through external education.

    Wakanda = capable of building technology
    Paradise Island = not even capable of building post roman empire level of technology & even restricted to that given there limited resources.

    Does that kind of make sense. Technology & science builds on the shoulders of there forebearers & requires substantial resources. Wakanda has it, Paradise island does not.

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    And technology wouldn't even evolve without communication among other societies. You could explain the gods granted them, but you might as well make them a magical/fantasy society instead of a scientific one.

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