Why Can't The Amazons Have Technology?

**Auguste Dupin** · 06-02-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by JimRaynor55

The Goblin Shredders are large walking robots used to chop trees and gather lumber. The Goblin Tinker hero has a harness with two robotic arms sticking out, which he uses to fight with, along with missiles. He can literally pull a factory out of his pocket and drop it on the ground, where it grows and releases kamikaze goblin robots on the enemy. The Orcish homeworld (which has been conquered by demons) has demonically-powered robot tanks guarding their bases.

The dwarves and gnomes are integrated into the Alliance military, while the goblins are a part of the Orcish horde. We see plenty of medieval towns where they are, and those haven't all been transformed yet. I believe we see several dwarf/gnome bases or mining operations, which are all have the same steampunk/medieval style. Their tech is not portrayed as anything world-beating or dominant either, and they can be hired out of shops in the middle of cities. Warcraft is basically an example of ridiculous scifi tech being used anachronistically in a historically-based setting.

I've agreed again and again that the Amazons lack a motive to develop lots of tech, because of their seclusion. I suggested giving them advanced tech in some areas anyway, to demonstrate their ingenuity. Also, to partially explain it by blurring the lines between tech and magic/godly power.

-True, true, that I remember.

-Well, technically, by the time of Warcraft 3, goblins aren't part of the Horde anymore, and are mercenaries. I don't think we see any dwarf or goblin city (in classic Warcraft I mean). At one point, we see Elves towns, and they are somewhat different (different buildings, different style, different units) than the Human ones, which led me to believe that concept of the Alliance is to share troups more than technology. Which would leed the example as being closer to "why doesn't Superman share his kryptonian tech with the US" than, "why does Superman has Kryptonian tech in the first place". Gnomes and dwarves are their own civilisations, and we never really see them.

-Yeah, but in the end, what do they technology speaking? As for me, I advocate the "Amazons do their crazy stuff by using magic" idea.

**Wonder39** · 06-03-2012, 01:05 AM

...with all the talk of "the Amazons have no need for tech" talk, I always felt that one of the reasons they created all of that tech and became scientists was through a thirst for knowledge and the time to develop such things....

As for the architecture and clothing-- it's cultural. I doubt you'd see them walking around with laptops and cel phones, but do we not think that there are people in other countries who continue to embrace traditional dress yet use technology?

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**Auguste Dupin** · 06-03-2012, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Wonder39

...with all the talk of "the Amazons have no need for tech" talk, I always felt that one of the reasons they created all of that tech and became scientists was through a thirst for knowledge and the time to develop such things....

As for the architecture and clothing-- it's cultural. I doubt you'd see them walking around with laptops and cel phones, but do we not think that there are people in other countries who continue to embrace traditional dress yet use technology?

M

You don't create an invisible plane because you're bored, you do it because it responds to a need or facilitate a certain aspect of your life. And I don't see how an invisible plane is doing either for the Amazons.
As for the clothing...even traditionnal dress has evolved since Ancient Greece.

**JimRaynor55** · 06-03-2012, 09:27 AM

I actually think that Wonder39 is raising a good point. The Amazons have a low level of needs. But they're also immortal and have unlimited time to work with, and they should do something to fill their creative desires. They're not some ignorant tribe reliant on subsistence hunting to barely survive. They live in a "paradise," and seem to have a high quality of life. The Amazons should be remarkable in some ways. Their patron goddess is Athena, goddess of wisdom. I really think that giving them a few examples of steampunk or godly powered, pseudo "magical" technology is a nice way to split the difference.

**Outside_85** · 06-03-2012, 01:54 PM

My own perception on the Amazons and their case is that they really have no need to develop technology beyond what they had at the time of their arrival. The lands they live off have enough game and yield enough crop for everyone. The weather is nice and the island is hidden, so they need not worry about the outside world. Since Diana's entry into the outside world, the Amazons simply shrugged their shoulders at the technological advancements of man and just went with what had served them well for so long. So they are just extremely conservative about such thing, bit like the Amish.

That said, I mentioned earlier I didn't have a problem with a science/magical blend kind of items being made by them, perhaps by a single amazon who has a mind for such things where the others don't, like an Amazon Leonardo or Einstein.

Btw, Athena is also one of the war gods of Olympus, just the more tactical variety than Ares.

**Mecegirl** · 06-03-2012, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Outside_85

My own perception on the Amazons and their case is that they really have no need to develop technology beyond what they had at the time of their arrival. The lands they live off have enough game and yield enough crop for everyone. The weather is nice and the island is hidden, so they need not worry about the outside world. Since Diana's entry into the outside world, the Amazons simply shrugged their shoulders at the technological advancements of man and just went with what had served them well for so long. So they are just extremely conservative about such thing, bit like the Amish.

That said, I mentioned earlier I didn't have a problem with a science/magical blend kind of items being made by them, perhaps by a single amazon who has a mind for such things where the others don't, like an Amazon Leonardo or Einstein.

Btw, Athena is also one of the war gods of Olympus, just the more tactical variety than Ares.

**fanboiii** · 06-03-2012, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by JimRaynor55

I actually think that Wonder39 is raising a good point. The Amazons have a low level of needs. But they're also immortal and have unlimited time to work with, and they should do something to fill their creative desires. They're not some ignorant tribe reliant on subsistence hunting to barely survive. They live in a "paradise," and seem to have a high quality of life. The Amazons should be remarkable in some ways. Their patron goddess is Athena, goddess of wisdom. I really think that giving them a few examples of steampunk or godly powered, pseudo "magical" technology is a nice way to split the difference.

You're not talking about Azarello's Amazons. They're not immortal and we haven't seen Athena yet despite what Hera and Strife did to them. Isolated societies can't advance much on their own. Look at all the third world countries that aren't even closed off like the Amazons. Being isolated means there's no global exchange of ideas, and limited resources. There are plenty of societies that haven't advanced because they haven't been influenced by the Western world, which the Amazons willfully reject.

The Amazons are already remarkable! Is there any other all female nation that have direct knowledge of gods? I'm sure any anthropologist would like to study them.

**americanwonder** · 06-03-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mecegirl

*sigh* I miss Io.

I named my DC Universe Online character "Io," but due to the font used there, everyone kept calling me "Lo" (small l = lo).

I also created an Io in Soul Calibur 5. She kicks butt.

But these Azzarello-Amazons haven't had a single invetive thought among them for 2,000+ yrs? That's just sad.

**americanwonder** · 06-03-2012, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by fanboiii

They're not immortal ...

They said they're immortal. (eta: at the funeral fire scene in #3, "Immortal life is a gift.")

And this is fiction. Giant 3-headed dog from Hades is a-ok, right? ;)

**Red Mask** · 06-03-2012, 04:43 PM

Definitely one of the trickiest issues for any movie adaption.

**Wonder39** · 06-03-2012, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Auguste Dupin

You don't create an invisible plane because you're bored, you do it because it responds to a need or facilitate a certain aspect of your life. And I don't see how an invisible plane is doing either for the Amazons.
As for the clothing...even traditionnal dress has evolved since Ancient Greece.

It's not because they're bored-- They don't have to worry about war and hunger, and spend their energies there, so they have the time to develop their minds, their bodies, their spirits.... the've existed for thousands of years-- why would they not continue to learn and create? Those who would be scientists would natually continue to invent and explore, despite a "nned" or not. You think 3000 years wouldn't be enough time to invent amazing things? It's not a matter of "I need this" it's more " look what I've been able to achieve".... The same with their physical training.

...and yes, a lot of traditional dress has evolved since Ancient Greece. owever the point was made about the weirdness of Amazons in ancient dress walking around with cel phones.... my point was that there are a lot of cultures (midel Eastern, East Indian, Japanese....) where traditional dress is a part of everyday-- and if one doesn't think they use technology.....

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