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    Quote Originally Posted by trajikflp View Post
    It's somewhat insulting that Wolverine's internal monologue portrays him as being oblivious as to when his role encompassed killing children. Where has he been? This conversation didn't come up after he killed his own children? This didn't come up when he was fighting the new Kid Hellfire Club? No? It comes up now, when someone comes to him to for help. He goes against his character and his strong beliefs of loyalty to friends and loved ones, and suffers a memory lapse about his killing children and fighting against them, so he could pretend to be helping Hope but really is luring her into a trap. What an asshole. What's the saying "Who needs enemies, when you've got friends like these...."
    He killed his own children, but they were adults when he killed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackraow21 View Post
    I actually think Aaron did a great job of justifying Wolverine's actions in this issue and getting us inside his head. In fact, I'm not really sure that anyone else could've done a better job of that, and as a fan of the character I was glad to have the insight into his motivations in this event. I now find myself less mystified by his actions and in fact more supportive of them...though I still firmly side with the X-men over the Avengers...
    It would have made more sense if he had this internal monologue with himself after he killed his children and after his battle with the Kid Hellfire Club. Somehow that didn't involve him questioning why he's had to deal with children like he does with homicidal maniacs like Sabretooth? What a slow learner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darknessatnoon View Post
    He killed his own children, but they were adults when he killed them.
    Okay, that makes sense. It's okay that he killed them because they were adults and he didn't raise them. And it's okay that he can kill Hope because he also didn't raise her and she's a teenager...close enough to being an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trajikflp View Post
    Okay, that makes sense. It's okay that he killed them because they were adults and he didn't raise them. And it's okay that he can kill Hope because he also didn't raise her and she's a teenager...close enough to being an adult.
    Well, he didn't know they were his kids. They were satan worshiping murderers who tried to kill his girlfriend and who had helped send him to hell. He had a "good reason" to butcher them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomiq View Post
    In this issue, for example Hope's "Yeah, and that ain't all I borrowed" line. I'm not actually American, so I could easily be way off base here. It's been a peeve of mine since the book started though. I remember Iceman copping it a fair bit in the first issue.
    "Ain't" is also midwestern, urban and Askani slang. Learn to speak American.
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    I agree that the honeymoon is over. Something drastic needs to change with this series or burn it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darknessatnoon View Post
    Well, he didn't know they were his kids. They were satan worshiping murderers who tried to kill his girlfriend and who had helped send him to hell. He had a "good reason" to butcher them.
    Got it. So, is there any real reason why he didn't bother to discuss this with anyone. Hey, Kitty, Bobby, Hank...so I killed my adult kids. They were going to kill my usual lay so I killed them and they were satan worshippers so I thought I'd let you know. Now that I got that outta' the way, I can be a shining example to the next generation of mutants who don't wank out and stay on an island with the jerkwad who married the red head chick whose dead now that I named my school after because it makes me feel like a man lusting after her even though she never married me nor ever sexed me up despite my version grade school crushing on her. To me, it would impact everyone's cloudy perception of what the hell was Wolverine thinking opening up a f*cking school when the only thing he's ever been good at was killing people and having inappropriate friendships with little girls. Oh, I mean "adults". It's as bad as a guy having his ex-girlfriend's name tattooed across their chest in her honor, even though the girl dumped his ass for a better man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Guardian View Post
    I agree that the honeymoon is over. Something drastic needs to change with this series or burn it.
    Something like things happening at the school that don't involve them going instantly into lockdown every five minutes. That's getting a bit old fast.

    That, and getting it away from A vs. X couldn't hurt.

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    This book rocks! 5/5 unread (until saturday).

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    Something like things happening at the school that don't involve them going instantly into lockdown every five minutes. That's getting a bit old fast.
    lol It got old the second time it happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trajikflp View Post
    Got it. So, is there any real reason why he didn't bother to discuss this with anyone. Hey, Kitty, Bobby, Hank...so I killed my adult kids. They were going to kill my usual lay so I killed them and they were satan worshippers so I thought I'd let you know. Now that I got that outta' the way, I can be a shining example to the next generation of mutants who don't wank out and stay on an island with the jerkwad who married the red head chick whose dead now that I named my school after because it makes me feel like a man lusting after her even though she never married me nor ever sexed me up despite my version grade school crushing on her. To me, it would impact everyone's cloudy perception of what the hell was Wolverine thinking opening up a f*cking school when the only thing he's ever been good at was killing people and having inappropriate friendships with little girls. Oh, I mean "adults". It's as bad as a guy having his ex-girlfriend's name tattooed across their chest in her honor, even though the girl dumped his ass for a better man.
    Well, I think that's a little much.
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    He also clearly says in this issue that he's done some awful things and even killed kids in the past, but that he's not the guy who kills kids anymore...instead he saves them. Which is what he thinks he's doing by tipping the Avengers off, as he obviously believes that the Phoenix force will destroy Hope. Like I said, not sure I agree, as I'm more inclined to support Cable and Cyclops' position that the Phoenix is coming here for Hope for a reason, but the issue does clearly give us insight into Wolverine's position whether you agree with it or not. That's all I was saying. Try to tone down your irrational Wolverine hate just a notch, trajikflp, and even you might be able to see that...

    ...or don't. At this point it has become mildly amusing. Kind of like Jota's rants about Marvel raping Wolverine's character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackraow21 View Post
    ...or don't. At this point it has become mildly amusing. Kind of like Jota's rants about Marvel raping Wolverine's character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Bendis wrote that, right!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackraow21 View Post
    He also clearly says in this issue that he's done some awful things and even killed kids in the past, but that he's not the guy who kills kids anymore...instead he saves them.
    Logan's memory issues must be returning. He totally forgot about the time he tried to kill Hope earlier that day!

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