Cancelling Wonder Woman

[Don-Jack]

So the meaning of her character depends on which deity gave her powers, male or female? That's interesting...
Some fans really reduce her character to just clay (origin story) or her powers.
Then how can I argue with someone someone who says she isn't a character by herself if even the fans implicit that?
I quit. I'm tired of discussing that.

[Gaelforce]

So the meaning of her character depends on which deity gave her powers, male or female? That's interesting...
Some fans really reduce her character to just clay (origin story) or her powers.
Then how can I argue with someone someone who says she isn't a character by herself if even the fans implicit that?
I quit. I'm tired of discussing that.

The character was all about female empowerment - first raised in an all female society and trained by women to realize her true and ultimate potential, then saved and protected by Gaia and then gifted by the goddesses and Hermes.

So yes, the meaning of the character in that regard has changed. She doesn't have powers because of gifts from goddesses or because of the training of the Amazons but because Zeus had an affair with Hippolyta.

I never 'reduced' her to anything, btw, so I'd appreciate it if you not put words in my mouth :)

[Dr. Hurt]

The character was all about female empowerment - first raised in an all female society and trained by women to realize her true and ultimate potential, then saved and protected by Gaia and then gifted by the goddesses and Hermes.

So yes, the meaning of the character in that regard has changed. She doesn't have powers because of gifts from goddesses or because of the training of the Amazons but because Zeus had an affair with Hippolyta.

I never 'reduced' her to anything, btw, so I'd appreciate it if you not put words in my mouth :)

It's not just that, she didnt even have a father, because god forbid a man have a part in creating or shaping her.

"If you dont have a vagina, you arent allowed. No sir, no men allowed. Now get off our island and wait 2000 years for us to randomly break our vow to never leave the island and send an emissary to preach to you how superior women are. And because we really care about the rest of the world and we're all about protecting it, we'll still be in Paradise brushing our hair when Darkseid or Mongul or whatever invades."


I dont get what's so bad about her having a father and her powers coming from him. Hell i always wanted her to have a father, some random Joe who she could perhaps meet when she'd leave the island. The only problem i see with Zeus is that it's not original at all.

[SteveGus]

Some people think Brian's writing is ruining their beloved, traditional superhero; cancelling Wonder Woman will beginning of true ruin.

I wonder whether Wonder Woman as a character would be better off if the book had simply been cancelled at the reboot, as opposed to being reduced to being the sleepwalking victim and prize in "her" title. With an honest cancellation, the Amazons would still be alive and their civilization intact. This might be better than keeping the title going but cancelling the character instead, which is what we're getting. Let Justice League be her only book; she shows more life and initiative in a single page of JL than she does in entire issues of Wonder Woman.

[Reginleif]

I wonder whether Wonder Woman as a character would be better off if the book had simply been cancelled at the reboot, as opposed to being reduced to being the sleepwalking victim and prize in "her" title. With an honest cancellation, the Amazons would still be alive and their civilization intact. This might be better than keeping the title going but cancelling the character instead, which is what we're getting. Let Justice League be her only book; she shows more life and initiative in a single page of JL than she does in entire issues of Wonder Woman.

JL is not canon though...

[SteveGus]

JL is not canon though...

How do you figure that?

[Dr. Hurt]

I wonder whether Wonder Woman as a character would be better off if the book had simply been cancelled at the reboot, as opposed to being reduced to being the sleepwalking victim and prize in "her" title. With an honest cancellation, the Amazons would still be alive and their civilization intact. This might be better than keeping the title going but cancelling the character instead, which is what we're getting. Let Justice League be her only book; she shows more life and initiative in a single page of JL than she does in entire issues of Wonder Woman.

What part of "critically and fan acclaimed" and "selling very well" dont you get?

Get over yourself. You're in the minority. If you dont like the book spare yourself and spare us. You have every right to voice your opinion but you've become a broken record, an overreacting, exaggerating and pessimistic one at that.

[JaggedFel]

IMO, there is one problem with this book. The Amazons. Okay the writers want to make it match up to the real world mythology then how about having the gods matchup better. Hades does not have melting candles on his head. Hermes is not Blue. Etc. Oh and have them match up in power levels better as well.

[Dr. Hurt]

IMO, there is one problem with this book. The Amazons. Okay the writers want to make it match up to the real world mythology then how about having the gods matchup better. Hades does not have melting candles on his head. Hermes is not Blue. Etc. Oh and have them match up in power levels better as well.

Who says they want to adapt greek mythology word for word? Also, what's wrong with trying some new designs?

[Sk8maven]

Who says they want to adapt greek mythology word for word?

Then why THE HELL adapt Greek misogyny word for word? "Oh, we want to play fast and loose with the Greek gods, but the Amazons have to be every bit as nasty and vicious and cruel and evil as the Greeks said they were! We're going to take the worst of the worst stories and make them WORSE! And if anyone yells about it, we'll just point to Greek mythology and say 'See? That's what they said!' We're doing it Because Greek Mythology, that's why!"

[JaggedFel]

IMO, when they are stupid. Apollo now that is quality redesign, pretty darn awesome even if its similar to Sunspot. But Hades absolutely ridiculous or Ares an old man, please. Maybe its because in mythology, the most basic greek god power is shapeshifting.

[Legato]

Time to close the thread. This is getting off topic

[Gaelforce]

So long as it stays on the topic of Wonder Woman, it will not be closed ;)

This discussion, in the general sense, is why Wonder Woman should or should not be cancelled. Pretty broad topic and difficult to veer so far off that it would be locked.

[americanwonder]

... With Superman he practically a year making him into a self-centered supervillain before recontrustructing him stronger than before at the end of his tale...

WhitOro, if I may, you think Superman came out of "For Tomorrow*" a stronger character? (*I assume it's "For Tomorrow" that you're talking about). How was he a stronger character?

When thinking about it maybe it could be one of those origin stories that we could grow to like once Azz broadens the story more. Maybe the reconstructive approach of Wonder Woman would be that it really doesn't matter where she came from since it doesn't change her becoming THE Wonder Woman down the road. Like she's responsible in creating her own path and doesn't need some origin that defines who she is

This sounds good in theory, but I don't think it matches up with the story very well. Thus far, she is predominately defined in terms of being Zeus' daughter, and the path is being defined by others.

I agree with Gaelforce's statements - well said, Gaelforce.

It's not just that, she didnt even have a father, because god forbid a man have a part in creating or shaping her.

"If you dont have a vagina, you arent allowed. No sir, no men allowed. Now get off our island and wait 2000 years for us to randomly break our vow to never leave the island and send an emissary to preach to you how superior women are. And because we really care about the rest of the world and we're all about protecting it, we'll still be in Paradise brushing our hair when Darkseid or Mongul or whatever invades."

"O.M.G.?!? There's a superhero comic without men on every page? How dare they?!?! DC comics needs more men! Get Maury Povich on the phone, we need to find a father stat! Her power needs to come from a man. We'll borrow an over-used origin if we have to. She needs a brother, too. Lots of brothers, in fact. That'll teach her. And her whole culture needs to be backwards and barbaric, because we all know that women can not advance beyond the bronze age without men to do it for them! Now that's a good Wonder Woman comic for the modern age! Very forward thinking."

[Legato]

This sounds good in theory, but I don't think it matches up with the story very well. Thus far, she is predominately defined in terms of being Zeus' daughter, and the path is being defined by others.

Thats how most coming of age stories usually play out at the moment we could be seeing Wonder Woman in a finding herself period but as the story starts to develop so does the character and she gradually starts to grow as her own person. That is when the reconstruction of Azz's story would start off.