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    Awesome. Although, I'm curious to see how Witchfinder doesn't tie into Hellboy when the main character seems to be an important (if a bit mysterious) figure in some of the later Hellboy stories. I'm assuming we'll be seeing more of him in Hellboy in Hell, or at least I hope we do.

    Again, thank you for the info!

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    I'm sure Witchfinder will be very important eventually, but at the moment, other than the fact that he appears in the pages of Hellboy, there's no real connection at all. I'm very curious to see where that series will eventually go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middenway View Post
    Which miniseries? The Mexico ones? The Mexico stories pretty much stand alone (I can't say for sure. I haven't read House of the Living Dead yet).
    You really need to get on that, House of the Living dead was really funny.

    There's also the one shot where Hellboy fought the Aztek god-guy that was published in DH presents last fall, that would definitely fit into the collection. And it isn't entirely related but I would think the Double Feature of Evil could be collected with the Mexican stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thwhtGuardian View Post
    You really need to get on that, House of the Living dead was really funny.

    There's also the one shot where Hellboy fought the Aztek god-guy that was published in DH presents last fall, that would definitely fit into the collection. And it isn't entirely related but I would think the Double Feature of Evil could be collected with the Mexican stories.
    Well, The Bride of Hell and Others trade hasn't been collected in a Library edition yet. It could easily go in with a bunch of Mexico stories (especially since it contains Hellboy in Mexico).

    I haven't read House of the Living Dead yet because I'm waiting for it to be released in either the standard trades or a Library Edition. I'm afraid that I can't bring myself to buy it without author notes and a sketchbook section. That's a deal-breaker for me. Plus, I can be patient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxTK421xx View Post
    Although, I'm curious to see how Witchfinder doesn't tie into Hellboy when the main character seems to be an important (if a bit mysterious) figure in some of the later Hellboy stories.
    Quote Originally Posted by Middenway View Post
    I'm sure Witchfinder will be very important eventually, but at the moment, other than the fact that he appears in the pages of Hellboy, there's no real connection at all.
    I'd say, that readers are to know that a character by the name of sir Edward Grey plays a significant role for any of the 'core Hellboy mythos', as of the early stories (Hellboy: Wake the Devil), but that the readers are not to know what that role would amount to being.

    Significant in the sense that any entities who would or could be knowing more about Hellboy or the Right Hand of Doom, as part of some 'Secret History of the World'.
    Entities such as the goddess Hecate or demons, faerie Kings, nordic top-hags or old-country shamans, knowing more than anyone or either Hellboy himself, due to hailing from or having gained any kind of access or entry to 'otherworldly realms' somehow. Who'd have been around even before Hellboy would have entered the world, who'd have seen his coming and who might have even expected or anticipated it.

    I'd also say that as of the earliest Hellboy stories, readers may be aware of how the whole Hellboy both as B.P.R.D. mythos appears made to offer enticing comics- or horror type of stuff but also more than that.
    Some aspects seem to not handle things typically, but in an uncompromising folkloric-instead-of-fairytale, Lovecraftian or Poe-esque untangible manner - as if any mystery or amazement or hard-to-fathom-ness to it would be meant to be such.
    Whereas even such characters as Lobster Johnson or Dagda may seem to have become more grounded or fleshed out as the titles progress - even ever so slightly - I would call it both lucky as well as majestical, how Edward Grey seems known by name only, with his figure or function remaining as yet so powerfully enigmatic - in a growing and recurring sense, but not neededly in an enfolding or much a divulging kind of way.

    At first this sir Edward Grey character remained fully cloaked as well as masked, but what was established'd be that he'd have been a man, a "witchfinder" or occult detective, admitted into the service of Queen Victoria, along with some other tidbits or details.
    After Hellboy: Strange Places was published, in a title called Abe Sapien: the Drowning a living character by the name of sir Edward Grey gets introduced, the same one as starring in the Witchfinder tales.
    Readers would be to see one character in rather opposite stages, but the link between such would remain to appear mysterious because of remaining not known and existant in name only. As yet.

    But then, for readers or fans, it might seem imperative to be receiving any sort of "payoff" or witnessable developments or hints to such - but it will be logical how any power or fun to mystery may endure for as long as the mystery to it would remain. And in case of Edward Grey's figure the mystery will have foremostly been to build and expand, witnessably - even without any 'hints' necessary, due to the very fact of so much or most as remaining undisclosed, right up to now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kees_L View Post
    I'd say, that readers are to know that a character by the name of sir Edward Grey plays a significant role for any of the 'core Hellboy mythos', as of the early stories (Hellboy: Wake the Devil), but that the readers are not to know what that role would amount to being.

    Significant in the sense that any entities who would or could be knowing more about Hellboy or the Right Hand of Doom, as part of some 'Secret History of the World'.
    Entities such as the goddess Hecate or demons, faerie Kings, nordic top-hags or old-country shamans, knowing more than anyone or either Hellboy himself, due to hailing from or having gained any kind of access or entry to 'otherworldly realms' somehow. Who'd have been around even before Hellboy would have entered the world, who'd have seen his coming and who might have even expected or anticipated it.

    I'd also say that as of the earliest Hellboy stories, readers may be aware of how the whole Hellboy both as B.P.R.D. mythos appears made to offer enticing comics- or horror type of stuff but also more than that.
    Some aspects seem to not handle things typically, but in an uncompromising folkloric-instead-of-fairytale, Lovecraftian or Poe-esque untangible manner - as if any mystery or amazement or hard-to-fathom-ness to it would be meant to be such.
    Whereas even such characters as Lobster Johnson or Dagda may seem to have become more grounded or fleshed out as the titles progress - even ever so slightly - I would call it both lucky as well as majestical, how Edward Grey seems known by name only, with his figure or function remaining as yet so powerfully enigmatic - in a growing and recurring sense, but not neededly in an enfolding or much a divulging kind of way.

    At first this sir Edward Grey character remained fully cloaked as well as masked, but what was established'd be that he'd have been a man, a "witchfinder" or occult detective, admitted into the service of Queen Victoria, along with some other tidbits or details.
    After Hellboy: Strange Places was published, in a title called Abe Sapien: the Drowning a living character by the name of sir Edward Grey gets introduced, the same one as starring in the Witchfinder tales.
    Readers would be to see one character in rather opposite stages, but the link between such would remain to appear mysterious because of remaining not known and existant in name only. As yet.

    But then, for readers or fans, it might seem imperative to be receiving any sort of "payoff" or witnessable developments or hints to such - but it will be logical how any power or fun to mystery may endure for as long as the mystery to it would remain. And in case of Edward Grey's figure the mystery will have foremostly been to build and expand, witnessably - even without any 'hints' necessary, due to the very fact of so much or most as remaining undisclosed, right up to now.
    Wait...what???

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxTK421xx View Post
    Wait...what???
    I'm saying, that once you'll be reading the stories (as how they get listed in each of the individual titles) you'll come to have perspective on how any of it would be tying together.

    In case of Witchfinder specifically, those books DO tie into Hellboy, rather straightforwardly even, but sort of in name foremostly. Because depending on how much of Hellboy or either Abe Sapien: the Drowning (a standalone Abe story-arc) you'd have read, you could be to place the Witchfinder books in a certain perspective.

    A perspective amounting to remaining undisclosed as yet - but like you said: such might change on account of future stories.

    So you might see I'm agreeing with your earlier post, albeit with the stipulation that Witchfinder's 'main character' isn't "a bit mysterious", but a total enigma more rather, at least the nature of importance to his role has been, a complete mystery, up to now.

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    I will readily agree also on how "a perspective remaining undisclosed" sounds really weird - but that's how mysteries in stories can amount to work: you get tidbits, puzzle pieces, mumbo-jumbo (in Hellboy even any mumbo-jumbo could point to stuff quite specifically instead of just sillyness 'though) but not a straightforward easy explanation. Because mysteries aren't for getting explained, they're for appearing either mysterious, or for getting revealed, at which point the mystery or wonderment to it would be no more.
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    Chillingly good stuff besides Mignola, Slint, M, Knut and really big chunks of tinfoil?
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