Pandora and the Trinity war.

[BeccaBlast]

Heck, from the FCBD promo, I'm not even sure Pandora is a villain. Of the three of them, she seems to be the one getting the rawest deal. Judas Iscariot (the Phantom Stranger) gets his bribe to wear about his neck forever, as a reminder of his betrayal. The Lucifer analogue (if there's a myth that closer matches the character, please let me know) who becomes the Question (good thing Ditko isn't around to see THIS, given determinism being atheist at its core) is totally arrogant until his memory is wiped away.

Pandora? She opened a box, that in traditional mythology, needed to be opened. She's historically been a dupe or scapegoat. Making her into a cosmos-shaking villain is going way off the scale. I'm more inclined to think one of that 'jury' is gaming the rest, for their own ends, and using her to do it.

[Gaelforce]

Heck, from the FCBD promo, I'm not even sure Pandora is a villain. Of the three of them, she seems to be the one getting the rawest deal. Judas Iscariot (the Phantom Stranger) gets his bribe to wear about his neck forever, as a reminder of his betrayal. The Lucifer analogue (if there's a myth that closer matches the character, please let me know) who becomes the Question (good thing Ditko isn't around to see THIS, given determinism being atheist at its core) is totally arrogant until his memory is wiped away.

Pandora? She opened a box, that in traditional mythology, needed to be opened. She's historically been a dupe or scapegoat. Making her into a cosmos-shaking villain is going way off the scale. I'm more inclined to think one of that 'jury' is gaming the rest, for their own ends, and using her to do it.

Well, it can also be argued that Judas needed to betray Jesus as it was necessary for him to become a martyr and die for the sins of his followers...

[Mr. Holmes]

Lucifer should just be Lucifer, not the Question.

[Dr. Hurt]

Wait... Lucifer is the Question or are you guys speculating?

[BeccaBlast]

What I was saying -- and I repeat, I won't be offended if someone says, "You're wrong -- there's a mythological character more like this guy, and it's 'X'" -- is that what little we see of the guy transformed into the Question reminds me of Milton's Lucifer in his arrogance and pride. Pandora and Judas/Phantom Stranger are far more obvious as to their situation.

And, at the risk of making Mr. Holmes faint at the thought of agreeing with an old-school WW fan, that would be a serious disservice to the character Ditko created and what it represented if the Question did turn out to be Lucifer. Being the plaything of snotty demi-deities is bad enough.

[Dr. Hurt]

I think Lucifer appeared in Demon Knights. Besides, isnt he too powerful to be messed up by those magicians?

[BeccaBlast]

One more reason to go look up Demon Knights...

Aside from it being probably the only DC book that might not have a Talon show up in it over the next month or so -- I like Snyder, but one good thing about Diana being stuck in Hades is that the Court of Owls probably hasn't infiltrated it.

Anyway, you'd think a fallen archangel would be something even the new Shazam elders (that's who those guys were, I believe -- God help Billy Batson) would tread lightly around, but DC has always been a little vague about how they handle such things. How powerful was Zauriel, after all? Was he an archangel, a seraphim, a cherubim or what? I know DC Hell was run alternately by Neron, Blaze and others, but not Lucifer, Beelzebub or Mephistopheles, the usual literary (read: non-Scriptural; we don't need to derail the thread with all THAT argument) rulers of Pandemonium. If it IS Lucifer, they might fudge the power levels enough so the elders together could dominate him.

Or, they might not be able to, and that could be the linchpin of the story. Their Judas certainly talks and acts like he would be forgiven, but he believes Jesus to be in the past tense ("Forgive me like He would have!"). Of course, most Christian teaching is that Judas' sin wasn't betraying Jesus, but despairing of forgiveness and taking his own life afterwards. So DC isn't exactly following traditional roles here, which in the case of Christianity is risky for their business model. But since we're already buzzing about it, their purpose was achieved.

[Matches Malloy]

Is it possible that the Trinity War also has something to do with the Green, Red and Rot?

[Dr. Hurt]

Is it possible that the Trinity War also has something to do with the Green, Red and Rot?

Dont think so considering it's a JL event and it has to do with Pandora, the Phantom Stranger and "the Question".

[Thor-Ul]

(good thing Ditko isn't around to see THIS, given determinism being atheist at its core).

Uh, Ditko is alive. Outside of the mainstream comics, but alive.

[jancy]

Let's look at this from the symbolism perspective.

What does Pandora represent (historically)? The typical woman, with all the woes & wonders that come with it...according to patriarchy.

While Wonder Woman represents the new and improved IDEAL woman.


Synthesize what you will from these representations.

[Dr. Hurt]

Pandora represents curiosity. That's it basically.