Should Magneto remain a ‘good guy’/hero?

**Monty_Cristo** · 05-26-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by James Hunter

For as lonmg as the mutants are endangered I see no logical reason to make Magneto a villain again. I disagree with the assertionhe was ever an out and out villain in the first place and whilst the mutants are in a minority its logical for him to remain on Utopia

Cheers.

James.

he was an out and out villain before Claremont got ahold of him. but that's because Claremont was writing comics for little children. he wanted to create a 3-dimensional adversary for the X-Men. i'm glad that he did; even if i don't like all of Claremont's stuff.

**KurtW95** · 05-26-2012, 12:47 PM

Stan Lee said that Magneto was never truly evil.

**remydat** · 05-26-2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Siryn

Oh, I didn't see there was more to his explanation on the site I was looking at... but, yeah, I hate that quote. To me, Morrison's developments destroyed everything that made Magneto such an interesting and compelling character. I don't understand why you guys like it. You prefer the mustache-twirling, evil terrorist version of the character?

The mustache-twirling, evil terrorist version of the character is for many who Mags really is though. CC's Mags was certainly more developed and more sympathetic but it was akin to putting make-up on a pig. Underneath it all Mags was and for many still is a pig. If Marvel or Stan Lee wanted a 3 dimensional sympathetic villain then they should have made Mags one from the get go. Instead, they showed him to be the mustache-twirling, evil terrorist for years and then tried to retcon it.

**Matt-M-McElroy** · 05-26-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by KurtW95

Stan Lee said that Magneto was never truly evil.

I do like him better as morally questionable and vigilante than either hero or villain.

-Matt

**Monty_Cristo** · 05-26-2012, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by remydat

The mustache-twirling, evil terrorist version of the character is for many who Mags really is though.

elderly and/or mentally disabled individuals

Magneto, literally, started life over when Claremont wrote him; via Erik the Red. he became a new character. and given how much money he's made for the franchise, only a complete moron would prefer him as the stock supervillain he started as.

**The Black Guardian** · 05-26-2012, 01:24 PM

Well, duh! He always was the hero.

**Dr. Sonic** · 05-26-2012, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by remydat

The mustache-twirling, evil terrorist version of the character is for many who Mags really is though. CC's Mags was certainly more developed and more sympathetic but it was akin to putting make-up on a pig. Underneath it all Mags was and for many still is a pig. If Marvel or Stan Lee wanted a 3 dimensional sympathetic villain then they should have made Mags one from the get go. Instead, they showed him to be the mustache-twirling, evil terrorist for years and then tried to retcon it.

Just about all of the villains from the Marvel Silver Age were two-dimensional mustache-twirlers. Many of the heroes were rather cardboard as well.
The re-creation of Magneto by Claremont was among his best work.
I'm a huge Grant Morrison fan, but the less said about the poorly thought through, utterly reactionary drivel that was 'Planet X,' the better.

**Windrider** · 05-26-2012, 01:43 PM

I like Magneto better as an antagonist but with the current state of mutants in the MU, they need to stick together anyway.

**damage_inc** · 05-26-2012, 01:53 PM

Magneto draws more money as a villian. He hasn't really drawn the X-Men money including him as a member of the x-men.
He is also more interesting as a villian,and not as a tweener anti hero.

**remydat** · 05-26-2012, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo

elderly and/or mentally disabled individuals

Magneto, literally, started life over when Claremont wrote him; via Erik the Red. he became a new character. and given how much money he's made for the franchise, only a complete moron would prefer him as the stock supervillain he started as.

This has nothing to do with preference. Mags is who he is. I would prefer Hitler not to anti-semitic madman but guess what, he was an anti-semitic madman. Look if you want to get all emo over his tragic life then good for you. Personally, I have seen enough people use their tragic lives as an excuse to hurt people that that argument simply doesn't fly with me. Mags is damn near 100 years old, he is not some stupid kid that made a few mistakes. And again, if Marvel dropped the ball and wrote him as a stock supervillain, I am under no obligation to buy into their retcon.

Originally Posted by Dr. Sonic

Just about all of the villains from the Marvel Silver Age were two-dimensional mustache-twirlers. Many of the heroes were rather cardboard as well.
The re-creation of Magneto by Claremont was among his best work.
I'm a huge Grant Morrison fan, but the less said about the poorly thought through, utterly reactionary drivel that was 'Planet X,' the better.

Again, I don't dispute CC's Mags was a more complicated protrayal and great writing. It was. But I didn't see some radical change in Mags just his methods. He simply learned that actively killing flatscans was perhaps not the best way to achieve his mutant supremacist goals. But Mags Not A Hero just confirmed that underneath all that makeup the dude is still the same dick who thinks his life's tragedy gives him the right to hurt people.

**LeDiableBlanc** · 05-26-2012, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Matt-M-McElroy

I do like him better as morally questionable and vigilante than either hero or villain.

-Matt

Exactly. He saw his first daughter killed and has seen the worst mankind has to offer since he was a kid- he's a super-powered Frank Castle. Remember that argument back in the Secret Wars when he was sent with team heroes?

**MartinRedmond** · 05-26-2012, 02:36 PM

There's nothing morally objectionable about Magneto, he is a villain. Tons of criminals have very harsh backstories just like Magneto. Scott is slimy for associating with Magneto.

If anything, Magneto should work hard at avoiding a repeat of the concentration camps instead of acting like a nazi.

**Foon4000** · 05-26-2012, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Slant

Diet Magneto has ran its course.

I was sick of him as soon as he culturally imperialized Indra's Dad. The victim-festishisation of him has been taken too far in this latest run of X-men membership.

Originally Posted by DAN

I think the Claremont version is unreal, romanticized and could only be written by someone who hasn't experienced the everyday fear of living in a society with real-life terrorism.

This is correct.

**MartinRedmond** · 05-26-2012, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Foon4000

I was sick of him as soon as he culturally imperialized Indra's Dad. The victim-festishisation of him has been taken too far in this latest run of X-men membership.

I'm glad Magneto was tortured and his wife was killed, he deserves it a 100%.

**Badou** · 05-26-2012, 03:07 PM

I do think he should have gone back to being a villain, or antagonist I guess might be a better word to use, since that will always be his character's greatest identifying trait but I feel they have missed their chance to do it. He is stuck as Scott's lackey for the foreseeable future. I mean if he was still an old geezer him stepping down and following Cyclops would make more sense, to me, but I always felt that being deaged would have renewed his motivation to see his vision carries out by his own hands instead of bowing down to Scott.

Also that Morrison quote was great. xD

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