How Strong/powerful do you feel Superman should be??

[Lexrules]

So no GL's can outpower him energy wise, no Flash can out run him, no Manhunter and Marvels can stand to him? Nothing short of a god should be able to put him on his backside? He should have no real challenges?

Is this what you are saying? I honestly what to know. I just never really understood what people mean when they just ask for that level of power. Would you be able to explain in better detail? (as much as you can if it's no trouble)

Pretty much. Superman in my eyes should always be the unstoppable force for good only coming in when really needed to help out The Justice League when they come up against a enemy that is to powerful for them. I HATE the fact that Johns took away the Yellow weakness GL had as he really shouldn't be in Superman's league nor should any other of the Earth's heroes. It's what makes Superman the Ultimate good in both leadership and strength.

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I like the Byrne power level and the TK explanation for him carrying large objects.

I don't like the "John Cena" Superman that can tank anything, move faster than anything and think faster than anything.

I would love a situation where other heroes are on par with him like a GL (i actually hated what Johns did in Justice League #2 when Superman was owning Hal Jordan) or Martian Manhunter.

[Lexrules]

I like the Byrne power level and the TK explanation for him carrying large objects.

I don't like the "John Cena" Superman that can tank anything, move faster than anything and think faster than anything.

I would love a situation where other heroes are on par with him like a GL (i actually hated what Johns did in Justice League #2 when Superman was owning Hal Jordan) or Martian Manhunter.

LOL.. You can't see me.

[AJBopp]

His power level in the first arc of Action was about right. He should never really get more powerful or have more abilities than that to maximize his level of interest as a character. He should be vulnerable.

[Lexrules]

LOL.. You can't see me.

Also if you make them on the same level then what makes him Superman? I'm sorry but no one should be on his level.

[Ian Pressman]

I'm okay with Superman being a planet killer. All-star Superman demonstrated that it's perfectly all right to have Superman at a god-like peak. It's the writing that makes Supes interesting, not his strength.

[Superlad93]

Pretty much. Superman in my eyes should always be the unstoppable force for good only coming in when really needed to help out The Justice League when they come up against a enemy that is to powerful for them. I HATE the fact that Johns took away the Yellow weakness GL had as he really shouldn't be in Superman's league nor should any other of the Earth's heroes. It's what makes Superman the Ultimate good in both leadership and strength.

Oh wow, I hope you don't mind me saying that I absolutely do not agree with that at all. I mean I love Superman as someone who's not hesitant to put his trust in his peers. Aren't you underselling Superman a bit and making him come off as a condescending jerk?

He has the power to do everyone's job and then some. Why is the a DCU then? Is it just so Superman doesn't get too bored with earth. So he lets a few guys with powers run around with him. When you said that thing about GL I really felt that you'd be ok lessening some other peoples characters to boost yours. Is that true?

He can be the strongest and the guy you call in when the chips are down but not at the cost of everyone else. I actually liked Deep_Sleeper's post about how he would do his Superman but I would also add the he is in fact the strongest but under the right conditions (even with out kryptonite) other credible heroes can beat him if need be. I think you should take a look at the post but just add what I said and I think you'd enjoy it.

Also along with what I asked you at the top I'd like to ask: aren't you diminishing Superman because you are diminishing other heroes? He see these people as his equals and peers in one way or another. But if these people are not needed then why does he let them risk their lives alongside him when he is all that we need?

All of this is you opinion and I'm glad to see new answers to my question even if I don't agree.

[Superlad93]

I'm okay with Superman being a planet killer. All-star Superman demonstrated that it's perfectly all right to have Superman at a god-like peak. It's the writing that makes Supes interesting, not his strength.

I agree with you on that, but also his powers in All-star were very ambiguous do you think? I really enjoyed that about them but at the same time I kept thinking "could this really work?" The writing style for All-star was modern myth and folk lore type of thinking. How do you translate that to JL with all of those heroes coming together with out losing individual parts of the team?

You have any ideas? (Also anyone can answer this as well if they like)

[Lexrules]

Oh wow, I hope you don't mind me saying that I absolutely do not agree with that at all. I mean I love Superman as someone who's not hesitant to put his trust in his peers. Aren't you underselling Superman a bit and making him come off as a condescending jerk?

He has the power to do everyone's job and then some. Why is the a DCU then? Is it just so Superman doesn't get too bored with earth. So he lets a few guys with powers run around with him. When you said that thing about GL I really felt that you'd be ok lessening some other peoples characters to boost yours. Is that true?

He can be the strongest and the guy you call in when the chips are down but not at the cost of everyone else. I actually liked Deep_Sleeper's post about how he would do his Superman but I would also add the he is in fact the strongest but under the right conditions (even with out kryptonite) other credible heroes can beat him if need be. I think you should take a look at the post but just add what I said and I think you'd enjoy it.

Also along with what I asked you at the top I'd like to ask: aren't you diminishing Superman because you are diminishing other heroes? He see these people as his equals and peers in one way or another. But if these people are not needed then why does he let them risk their lives alongside him when he is all that we need?

All of this is you opinion and I'm glad to see new answers to my question even if I don't agree.

I'm a Silver age fan above all other because that was Superman to me above all so you could see why I think he should be God like with the power to move planets and blow out stars without a second thought. IMO, the more powerful superman the better and In my mind the ultimate unstoppable good for Truth, Justice, and The American Way.

[Superlad93]

Also if you make them on the same level then what makes him Superman? I'm sorry but no one should be on his level.

There a bit more to him than power. Same with every hero.

[dbcb314]

My personal opinion? I am a big believer in "he's as Strong as he needs to be". I'm not ashamed to say that I like the look of struggle for a big task. I have often seen Superman's power as being connected to his will. So say if he puts the right amount of will into it he can do anything really.

So you want him to be kinda like Marvel's Gladiator and Captain Britain?

[Ian Pressman]

I agree with you on that, but also his powers in All-star were very ambiguous do you think? I really enjoyed that about them but at the same time I kept thinking "could this really work?" The writing style for All-star was modern myth and folk lore type of thinking. How do you translate that to JL with all of those heroes coming together with out losing individual parts of the team?

You have any ideas? (Also anyone can answer this as well if they like)

That's the wrong way to look at it. No one else is diminished by someone else being more powerful. Otherwise, Batman would never be a member.

[Superlad93]

I'm a Silver age fan above all other because that was Superman to me above all so you could see why I think he should be God like with the power to move planets and blow out stars without a second thought. IMO, the more powerful superman the better and In my mind the ultimate unstoppable good for Truth, Justice, and The American Way.

I really understand that man, trust me I do. But then can I ask you how would you address the problems and notions I have stated in my last post to you?

1.Aren't you underselling Superman a bit and making him come off as a condescending jerk?

2.Why is the a DCU then?

3.aren't you diminishing Superman because you are diminishing other heroes? He see these people as his equals and peers in one way or another. But if these people are not needed then why does he let them risk their lives alongside him when he is all that we need?

A few mess with one another but if you could answer any or all of them I'd really appreciate it. I've just never really understood that style of thinking.

Also I'm a very big Silver age fan too (not for the power but for the style of storytelling.

[jsimz924]

My personal opinion? I am a big believer in "he's as Strong as he needs to be". I'm not ashamed to say that I like the look of struggle for a big task. I have often seen Superman's power as being connected to his will. So say if he puts the right amount of will into it he can do anything really.

New to Comics but ive been reading Superman since the new 52...i dont know if i agree whole-heartedly with that...if someones as strong as we need them to be, rest assured there would never be any challenge for him....he might have to work a little harder but in the end we all know he'd end up winning anyways. Reading about him juggling/moving planets seems like a stretch....almost to the point that something like that would kill him...every being has their limits i believe.....

[Superlad93]

That's the wrong way to look at it. No one else is diminished by someone else being more powerful. Otherwise, Batman would never be a member.

I see what you mean. Ok let me ask it diffidently because I already understand that way of thinking.

Ok what I meant was that All-star's storytelling style was very folksy and serial (I love this style) So then to add him to the larger universe I feel like we would have to change the way the feel of the DCU thus elevating them to his level but would this lose some of the individual feel brought by the other heroes?

Personally: I think the writing can solve all power issues and almost make you forget he's the most powerful guy around and just let you see the man.