Tom Brevoort on Spider-Man's former marriage and Northstar's nuptials

[David Walton]

They're projecting.

It's not really fair or charitable to perform that kind of pop-psych analysis.

You could be right, but then again, people could just feel strongly about a particular approach.

Do unto others and all that....

[CyberHubbs]

That was more of a joke. Ya know, man-child nerds.

[spideybr]

Well, it finally happened. This board finally drove out whoever disliked One More Day enough to have a debate about it,

AMEN TO THAT. I was a lurker then, but man, did it pissed me off to see a guy called Rmaq i believe, whining about mj EVERY single thread ! He/she constantly side steped arguments when proved wrong, then returned later with the same argument and when people called on it, he/she would change the point of discussion. GEEZ, how he/she wasnt banned for trolling i don't know. There was like 2 or 3 thread dedicated to omd, and the person and others would continue to derail issue review threads, that nerd guy is also a sabotour, he just pretend to be discussing the issues but we know what you are doing buddy.

[David Walton]

That was more of a joke. Ya know, man-child nerds.

I get that, but there seems to a real push here on every side of any argument to assume the worst about others' opinions.

Or maybe I'm confusing here with politics!

[charlesthehammer]

I'm not sure I'd completely classify him as a man-child. Not right now, at least. He doesn't live at home, doesn't play video games, doesn't argue on the internet, doesn't have hobbies outside of saving the world and has a great job.

A manchild is someone who refuses to grow up. You kind of have to be one if you are going to want to keep the youthful tag. At least at his age. Now some don't see that as a bad thing I guess, if that is what they want, then more power to them.

They're projecting.

That is unfair hubbs, you are better than that.

[TheAltarOfMyEgo]

"Man-child" has unfortunately become a normative state for 20-somethings, so the assertion at least has realistic basis.

[charlesthehammer]

"Man-child" has unfortunately become a normative state for 20-somethings, so the assertion at least has realistic basis.

I can see that, but comics do seem to be more idealistic than realistic. If it gets to realistic it just becomes depressing. Plus you know, he is apparently a role model.

AMEN TO THAT. I was a lurker then, but man, did it pissed me off to see a guy called Rmaq i believe, whining about mj EVERY single thread ! He/she constantly side steped arguments when proved wrong, then returned later with the same argument and when people called on it, he/she would change the point of discussion. GEEZ, how he/she wasnt banned for trolling i don't know. There was like 2 or 3 thread dedicated to omd, and the person and others would continue to derail issue review threads, that nerd guy is also a sabotour, he just pretend to be discussing the issues but we know what you are doing buddy.

Haha, what? I think you might be going overboard with your witchhunt here.

[David Walton]

"Man-child" has unfortunately become a normative state for 20-somethings, so the assertion at least has realistic basis.

I'll agree with the caveat that it's not necessarily the bad thing that some make it out to be. People are living longer and our standard of living has been on the rise for years, so it's not surprising that people think of adulthood differently. You don't have to learn how to take over the farm for Pa by the time you're twenty. I'm okay with that.

[Mister Mets]

I can see that, but comics do seem to be more idealistic than realistic. If it gets to realistic it just becomes depressing. Plus you know, he is apparently a role model.

Haha, what? I think you might be going overboard with your witchhunt here.

The problem with going for an idealistic route is that it may be less effective in fiction. The character has to have problems in his private and professional lives, even if he's a better role model when he has a stable job.

[CyberHubbs]

I'll agree with the caveat that it's not necessarily the bad thing that some make it out to be. People are living longer and our standard of living has been on the rise for years, so it's not surprising that people think of adulthood differently. You don't have to learn how to take over the farm for Pa by the time you're twenty. I'm okay with that.

Me too. There's snakes out there an' stuff.

Plus, I like a stable internet connection.

[charlesthehammer]

The problem with going for an idealistic route is that it may be less effective in fiction. The character has to have problems in his private and professional lives, even if he's a better role model when he has a stable job.

Well yes, there is some middle ground, you don't have to be 100% idealistic or 100% realistic. I mean if you go to far you just end up with the grimdark feeling of the 90's or the sillyness of the DC silver age.

[CyberHubbs]

A manchild is someone who refuses to grow up. You kind of have to be one if you are going to want to keep the youthful tag. At least at his age. Now some don't see that as a bad thing I guess, if that is what they want, then more power to them.

You don't. People don't get married straight out of college. Or start building families right away, either. They're going out there and finding stable jobs, working on their careers, but also spending their nights at bars, clubs, or just doing other young people stuff. It's a little bit of both, but clearly as they get older they start moving away from the youthful culture. It's basically the years from 21 to 29, but around 27-29 you should have a good idea of what you're going to do for the next fifty or sixty years, even if you're not quite there yet.

That is unfair hubbs, you are better than that.

I thought it was certainly my brand of humor.

[David Walton]

Me too. There's snakes out there an' stuff.

Plus, I like a stable internet connection.

You and me both, brother!

You don't. People don't get married straight out of college. Or start building families right away, either. They're going out there and finding stable jobs, working on their careers, but also spending their nights at bars, clubs, or just doing other young people stuff. It's a little bit of both, but clearly as they get older they start moving away from the youthful culture. It's basically the years from 21 to 29, but around 27-29 you should have a good idea of what you're going to do for the next fifty or sixty years, even if you're not quite there yet.

Yeah, I think something along the lines of How I Met Your Mother is a pretty good picture of that. The characters are all finding their way, but they're not wildly irresponsible or anything.

For some reason, I always think of Slott's Peter Parker as having a HIMYM vibe. And I mean that in a good way.

[The Superior Michael Deery]

How would someone explain Cyberhubbs joke to a child?

Discuss.

[charlesthehammer]

You don't. People don't get married straight out of college. Or start building families right away, either. They're going out there and finding stable jobs, working on their careers, but also spending their nights at bars, clubs, or just doing other young people stuff. It's a little bit of both, but clearly as they get older they start moving away from the youthful culture. It's basically the years from 21 to 29, but around 27-29 you should have a good idea of what you're going to do for the next fifty or sixty years, even if you're not quite there yet. .

Well yes, but that works on the assumption a marriage makes you an adult. Anyway you can go to bars, clubs or whatever whenever you want. In fact MJ did it several times during the marriage years. Its not a strict age thing. Also Peter never really does any of those things anyway.

I thought it was certainly my brand of humor.

Oh, just joking? Sometimes these things get a little heated and you can never tell when someone is just insulting everyone.