Pipeline - May 22, 2012

[CBR News]

As Augie reminds himself of why he doesn't venture out into comic book message boards anymore, he ponders the idea of applying modern coloring techniques to older comics.


Full article here.

[Alex6166]

I thumbed through the X-Men #1 anniversary issue. I don't think I really dug the recoloring and the stuff they added. Strangely enough I found the X-Men #1 'E' issue with the fold-out cover from that era for about a dollar. Finally completed my A,B,C,D, and E covers. I didn't buy all of them. As for X-Force. Well, it had a lot of energy and Liefeld got to hype the book on jeans commercial. What a time to be alive.

[BurningDoom]

Riiiight. It's us 1000s of fans that are wrong about Rob Lifield producing crap from a pencil, and you're absolutely right about it. We're just a bunch of pretencious trolls. Give me a break. How can sooooo many of us just be wrong and your opinion about him above us. It's a bit disheartening the way you sweep all of us into this category of vicious trolls just because we point out crap when we see it. I guess we should all just be happy about deformed bodies and man-boobs.

[lead sharp]

Completely agree that a lot of poop is flung about on threads BUT Liefeld IS actually one of those things worth getting worked up about and it drives me up the wall that so many just say 'Well don't buy his books' or 'he was good in his day' (which he clearly wasn't).

Look at The Infinite and Deathstroke, it takes TWO inkers to make his work look just bad (on Deathstroke specifically) and yet there are better artists out there who don't get work. Two of them forced to work on his garbage.

These are resources being poured into characters that people love and could indeed be great that are making them un-readable, it's a waste of talent, it's a waste of characters and it shows that DC is massively out of touch with it's audience, because people are coming round to the fact that Liefeld is bad.

I'll stop being pissed off at Liefeld when he stops making the industry look bad.

[nightwing1982]

Completely agree that a lot of poop is flung about on threads BUT Liefeld IS actually one of those things worth getting worked up about and it drives me up the wall that so many just say 'Well don't buy his books' or 'he was good in his day' (which he clearly wasn't).

Look at The Infinite and Deathstroke, it takes TWO inkers to make his work look just bad (on Deathstroke specifically) and yet there are better artists out there who don't get work. Two of them forced to work on his garbage.

These are resources being poured into characters that people love and could indeed be great that are making them un-readable, it's a waste of talent, it's a waste of characters and it shows that DC is massively out of touch with it's audience, because people are coming round to the fact that Liefeld is bad.

I'll stop being pissed off at Liefeld when he stops making the industry look bad.

Yep. Pretty much with you. It amazes me that there are a lot of talented artists that are not getting gigs OR editoral is not looking for fresh new artist that are hunrgy to draw. We get a hack...the Brett Ratner of comic books.

[PatheticNewGuy]

Ok. I guess it'll be me then.

Like polishing a turd.

[Sleepwalker42]

Liefield is a good artist. I honestly have no clue why people like to bad mouth him aside from the fact that its cool to do so. I like the traditional coloring...but on the whole, the dismissal of him as a poor artist I just don't get.

[MegaGearX]

Completely agree that a lot of poop is flung about on threads BUT Liefeld IS actually one of those things worth getting worked up about and it drives me up the wall that so many just say 'Well don't buy his books' or 'he was good in his day' (which he clearly wasn't).

But they do have a point. You could simply not read his books or not participate in threads with him as the topic. If you hate him, is it really necessary to go into every Liefeld thread or conversation to post the same message or insight?

If Liefeld was on time with all of his books instead of pursuing Hollywood and never burned a soul during his career, he would be just another artist with his own quirky style.

[spiderrmonkey]

But they do have a point. You could simply not read his books or not participate in threads with him as the topic. If you hate him, is it really necessary to go into every Liefeld thread or conversation to post the same message or insight?

If Liefeld was on time with all of his books instead of pursuing Hollywood and never burned a soul during his career, he would be just another artist with his own quirky style.

You're missing the point mentioned above. Liefeld is despised not because of his antics but because so much of his work looks lazy. Some might call that a "quirky style," but I would disagree. The reason many get so upset about him is just as it's stated above: he's getting gigs while other (non-lazy) artists aren't.

Of course, we could argue all night about him, with one side saying he sucks and the other saying otherwise, but let's let other forums do that

[ME24601]

I'm continuously amazed by the fact that Rob Liefeld is able to get any jobs...

[Steve Broome]

I love re-coloring in a lot of cases. Art Adams for example had a lot of his work where the colors (in my copies at least) were completely outside of the lines. Such a waste of great line art, and in Spiderman the colors were fine at the time, but McFarlane's pencils deserved more.

[Doc Thunder]

Augie,

RE: your last remark about a closet full of collected editions vs a closet full of comics boxes. Take the contents of your comic boxes and have them professionally bound into books of comics.

[dancj]

Riiiight. It's us 1000s of fans that are wrong about Rob Lifield producing crap from a pencil, and you're absolutely right about it. We're just a bunch of pretencious trolls. Give me a break. How can sooooo many of us just be wrong and your opinion about him above us. It's a bit disheartening the way you sweep all of us into this category of vicious trolls just because we point out crap when we see it. I guess we should all just be happy about deformed bodies and man-boobs.

If you're going around message boards bad mouthing Liefeld every opportunity you get then yes you are a troll.

Personally I think he turned out a decent job on the original Hawk and Dove mini 20 odd years ago (courtesy of Karl Kesel) and has been terrible ever since, but I'm happy to sit back and let others enjoy his work.

[U-Foe]

But they do have a point. You could simply not read his books or not participate in threads with him as the topic. If you hate him, is it really necessary to go into every Liefeld thread or conversation to post the same message or insight?

Bingo, this goes for everything, not just Liefeld. I don't have the time, energy or desire to waste going into a thread to bash something I don't like. Dealing with people on the internet in forums/chat rooms feels like every village on the planet took their idiot and they stuck them all in one place. lol

[Roquefort Raider]

Liefield is a good artist. I honestly have no clue why people like to bad mouth him aside from the fact that its cool to do so. I like the traditional coloring...but on the whole, the dismissal of him as a poor artist I just don't get.