The thing about Whedon Buffy or Angel series is that it makes you care for the characters , viewers has a connection to the characters and when they die , the audience really felt it , it's real and gut wrenching.
You take a series like Charmed , can't remember any episode where you really felt the grief of the characters or even supernatural ? When Bobby died , was anyone gut wrenched ?
I guess I'm in a tiny minority on Tara, I could never stand her character or the way she seemed to mope around and say things like "I don't know you guys." Just seemed like a lump in the middle of fully formed personalities. Was happy when they offed her character, though sad for some reason for Willow (even though she's a fictional character).
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And I agree that Buffy season 2 finale should have been in there somewhere. Yes, Fred's death is heartbreaking, but I have watched that finale at least 15 times, and I tear up every single time. And it's actually sadder AFTER the first time you watched it, once you know to watch the season listening for the Buffy/Angel leitmotif - when it frigging starts playing again when Angel gets his soul back, and then culminates with her stabbing him...SOB!
EDIT: And finfang, I agree on Tara at first, but I think they let her grow while she was separated from Willow. The episode where she came to Buffy's party I thought showed her as a much stronger individual. So then they killed her pretty much right when this "new" Tara got back with Willow :(
I honestly never had a problem with Fred's fate. It was tragic..and sometimes that can make for good tv. Plus I liked the character of Illyria and her interactions with Wesley. Destroying her soul might of been a bit much, but I like to think she went to heaven instead of just fading out of existence.
Then again, I'd sometimes wonder if just fading away would be that bad? I'm sure heaven is fun, but it's hard to imagine being there forever. Even being reunited with lost loved ones is probably going to get old after hundreds/thousands of years..let alone if we're talking being there for all eternity.
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A woman can move a lot faster with her skirt up than a man can with his pants down.
Before I even clicked on the thread, I knew the number 1 was going to be Fred. Such a pure person, and then to not only die, but have their soul destroyed so that it has no chance of an afterlife was beyond cruel. I think Angelus may have been involved in the writing process of that arc.
To be fair, in Bobby's case, it was because he had already died many episodes before, and considering the, well, supernatural circumstances of the show, death is most certainly not permanent.Bobby's had it coming for a while, since he's died the least out of the main cast, not to mention Jim Beaver said a long while back that he wanted to take some time off. Besides, we already saw Dean and Sam's heartbreak over Bobby in the episodes before the realized Bobby was contacting them.
If you look at the "Death's Door" episode as the episode where Bobby "officially" died, I would say there were some gut-wrenching moments.
I'm not gonna look at the list, as I am halfway through the second season of Dollhouse at the moment, and don't want any spoilers. I would have been spoiled for Supernatural reading a couple of posts there, but for the fact I accidently spoiled it for myself when reading of the show's renewal, a few days ago. eh, lol.
It is only truly cruel when killing off a character if they have not fuillfilled their creative potential. Joss said he later regretted killing off the female vampire from ep 1 of season 4, I think she was called Sunny, anyway, yeah, I was shocked when I first saw that ep and she was offed, as she seemed like a character who would be re-occuring, a good villan for Buffy being another female who was good at taking the piss out of her, and got her scared at one point iirc.
You're in such a good place! Before they realize they have to wrap up the whole series and give a plot twist that makes no sense if you actually go back and watch earlier episodes!
Sunday. Sundae? Yeah, she didn't do much for me. I couldn't imagine several episodes with her.
He wasn't as heavily involved during that part of the season, he was working on setting up "Firefly".Originally Posted by Legato
Right. Buffy says, "Ask me again why I can't trust you." That's when it finally hit him why she was with Angel, both before and after he had lost his soul.Originally Posted by Surtur
It wasn't a retcon. It was a clever bit of misdirection. That's why it worked. He couldn't be loving which is why it was played as if he was going back to being evil.Originally Posted by Colinp42
I never heard the late retcon theory. It's interesting, but I saw no problem with how that situation actually played out. The "I'll give the bitch what's coming to her" line could absolutely mean his soul. Buffy was using him as much as he was using her, albeit for different reasons. Him becoming re-souled would be Spike's way of showing he wasn't going to be "hurt" by her anymore and to also hurt her in the process by showing her that she was just as bad as him at times. Although, I'm still not sure how you hurt a soulless creature emotionally. I guess that's a trait unique to him. I absolutely hated that rape scene though. Super uncomfortable to watch and almost damaged both those characters for me forever (but I guess that was the point of it, but still).
I'd have to say that Buffy killing Angel and getting kicked out of home by her mother and of school in the space of 24 hours had to be the worst. Then, when Buffy starts to move on, Angel comes back. I don't know what is crueller.
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To be fair, being verbally abused to the point of becoming extremely shy is understandable. Willow wasn't what she became at first. It took using vast amounts of black magick to make her into what she was.Tara wouldn't be one tenth as popular if she wasn't part of a gay relationship. I just found her extremely weak as a character. I love characters with power in their personalities and Tara could have built that but she moped and swooned and in the end went nowhere but to drive Willow nuts. The only good love interest Willow ever had was Oz.