How did obscure characters like Buffy, BlackWidow get popular than WonderWoman?

[Dr. Hurt]

Considering Marston's granddaughter posts here, I'll say there's someone who probably has read all of the material ;)

Which one is she?

[BeccaBlast]

Which one is she?

Christie hasn't posted here in a a long time -- I went digging through the archives and found what looks like the screen name she used.

With some of the things being said about her grandfather, his vision and his creations, I wouldn't expect her to be commenting much right now. Too much of what is being said about Marston and his work comes across as hostile, frankly, and she has more of a life than we do, I'm sure.

[brettc1]

Christie hasn't posted here in a a long time -- I went digging through the archives and found what looks like the screen name she used.

With some of the things being said about her grandfather, his vision and his creations, I wouldn't expect her to be commenting much right now. Too much of what is being said about Marston and his work comes across as hostile, frankly, and she has more of a life than we do, I'm sure.

I'm sure she does. But she still maintains a facebook page dedicated to Wonder Woman and is on my friends list.

[jancy]

Christie hasn't posted here in a a long time -- I went digging through the archives and found what looks like the screen name she used.

I'm one of Marston's supporters. The thing about his work is that people scorn that which they don't understand. I admit his stuff is pretty esoteric. You'd have to be an expert to understand his work, both in psychology and on Wonder woman.

But instead of just writing him off as some kink fiend, I had some experts EXPLAIN it to me! And now I understand Marston's work.

Kelly Warrior is either mistakenly wrong or just flat out lying. If Kelly really did read the public material on Marston, then I do NOT know how she came to the conclusion that Marston's work on WW was simply ALL kink.


Time for the magic lasso!>>>>>>>>

Okay, basically William Marston was a guy who appreciated tender things in life. That's a sign of SANITY. I mean, what kind of a person would appreciate the HARSH things in life?!? So then with this love of life, he pursued whatever gave him pleasure. Because his philosphy states that you'd live a lot happier life if you did things that you actually liked, that gave you pleasure.

So as a psychologist, he naturally studied that which would give others the same euphoric feelings. He studied the emotional dynamics of love, eroticism, happiness, romance, etc.

The bondage erotic stuff in his comics were NOT sadism or masochism. They were simply erotic. Period. And they only served one (or two) purpose. And were only ONE part of the WW comics.

The main themes he was trying to inject into people are the very things that we deal with in real life. But put in psychological health terms. Things like the assertive ego (the source of all evil), love emotions, how to adapt one to the other in proper order.


His philosophy states that the universe is composed of opposite opposing forces. And that to produce the best possible outcome of those forces coexisting (and MUST coexist because you cannot eliminate either one) was to choose the proper master.

Love must master Force. Happiness must master Wealth & success. Humanity must master martialiality. And so on.


Am I getting through to you people yet?

[jancy]

I once emailed this guy who did an entire report on Wondy and Marston. And he sent me copies of various articles written by Marston as well as some very interesting tid bits that include a beautiful picture of the Moulton family crest. I'll post it in here if you guys want.

Here's a copy of his report. Very enlightening and profound stuff:

https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/ndcOke
https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/hcEf9

[de Sosa]

they need to get like carey or morrison or gaiman and get them to do a WOnder Woman:Year One that sets her origins in stone and define her personality

[Whirlwind Dinamo]

Social and cultural relevance is overrated, especially when superheroes are involved. Do you seriously consider the Avengers movie to be some kind of great statement about the ambitions and abuses of power in secret government agencies? The sheer comic-bookiness of the proceedings tends to undermine any Message. AFAIAC the movie is about bombs going off and Hulk smashing, and I'm fine with just that.

Now, Wonder Woman is a more complicated business: she was created to express a complex set of ideas. Those ideas were strange enough to be timeless; you're either interested in them or you aren't, and they've never been adopted widely enough to become stale, either; never had the chance.

And they aren't what I came for, anyways: what I am mostly interested in seeing is light, whimsical, and slightly sexy adventures from a big gal in a one piece who can juggle tanks. When the Wonder Woman title delivers that, I am happy with it. The business of loving submission and mind control serves mostly to add flavor to the fantasy. Social and cultural relevance is at best an afterthought.

I think Whedon's formula worked as a block buster movie because it broke everything down and worked so simple

Here's what he said about WW and the JL film

In light of all the early skepticism and requisite message board razzing, it looks quite likely that Joss Whedon has pulled off a feat many believed could never be done. Over on the DC side of the comic world, a “Justice League” movie has been discussed now and again for years. Whedon was asked what advice he might offer to get that similarly ambitious project off the ground. “Call me,” jokes Whedon. "It's enormously difficult to take very disparate characters and make them work. DC has a harder time of it than Marvel because their characters are from an old, bygone era where characters were bigger than we were. Marvel really cracked the code in terms of ‘Oh, they're just like us.’ Marvel really started with ‘Iron Man.’ I think you need to use that as your base.”
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayli...ngers-20120503

[jancy]

they need to get like carey or morrison or gaiman and get them to do a WOnder Woman:Year One that sets her origins in stone and define her personality

But are any of them good at deciphering Wonder Woman? You can't do a major deep project like that without having Marstonian understanding.

[SteveGus]

But are any of them good at deciphering Wonder Woman? You can't do a major deep project like that without having Marstonian understanding.

Morrison... just might. He at least seems to understand that the sex part is important. Gaiman has the interest in sex and gender material, but I don't think he really can write superheroes, which is the other important qualification in a writer.

[carabas]

Morrison... just might. He at least seems to understand that the sex part is important.

We'll be getting Morrison's Wonder Woman at some point. Or at least if DC let's him write it, he says. DC's not very big on sex.

Gaiman has the interest in sex and gender material, but I don't think he really can write superheroes, which is the other important qualification in a writer.

Nor has he any interest in writing supeheroes... So that works out okay.