Carrying buckets of water prepares you for the Phoenix. It's canon. Deal
Bad Guys of AvX? The Architects, or the guys who wrote this mess.
Say No to decompressed storytelling!
you can listen to it here: http://marvel.com/news/story/19571/d...avx_special_10
Thats one hell of a hair brushing regiment.
And the villains of AvX were the X-Men. Just like the villains of Civil War were the Anti-Reg guys. And the villain of World War Hulk was the Hulk.
Works in theory, until the "villains" end up completely and utterly sympathetic and the "heroes" end up being massive assholes who were wrong about everything.
But I don't agree the X-Men were the villains of AvX. Unlike Civil War, at the end of AvX we see both the Avengers and X-Men coming together save the world. They were ALL heroes there.
As far as one side or the other being symathetic... any AvX thread will clearly show that both Avengers and X-Men got their fair share of critics and supporters. And that was exactly what they were going for, so in that front I think they accomplished what they wanted.
Last edited by xxvaderxx; 11-27-2012 at 09:28 AM.
But being wrong about some things doesn't necessarily make you a "villain" or the "bad guy." There's a difference.
I think in both Civil War and AvX, I think it's more than fair to argue both sides made some mistakes and both sides had defensible positions. The fact that there was so much debate among posters clearly demonstred that. And UNLIKE Civil War, I think what AvX did was show the Avengers and X-Men putting aside their differences and working together in the end to save the world, which really emphasized the point about neither team being the bad guys. It's part of the reason why the Avengers and X-Men are working together as we speak.. in the end they all want the same thing, and needed to work together to accomplish that.
How to Avoid it:
1- Do your research.
2- Ask the guys with actual experience on the subject. (other than the known killer and the terminally ill, pump on drugs mad scientist).
3- Come up with an actual plan. Like what do you actually plan to do with Hope.
4- Propose to Summers a middle ground compromise (this is kind of what the guy takes and makes work for a living) like for the girl to meet the PF in deep space.
5- Do not invade the home of the people you should be asking to help you(and no, "Give me your wallet" is not the same as "asking for change").
That aside, i would have loved for Summers to get gutted in Jail, but i will take him starting his movement as well.
Last edited by xxvaderxx; 11-27-2012 at 09:46 AM.
He did discuss and work with people that had experience with the Phoenix (Logan and Beast... and Captain Britian was working with the Avengers as well), and he did come up with multiple plans. He had the Secret Avengers off in space trying to contain the Phoenix, while the main force was trying to evacuate Hope from the planet, with Starks Phoenix buster as their hail mary.
As far as finding a middle ground with Scott... perhaps that might have happened had Scott not shot at Steve 2 minutes into the conversation. We'll never know, because Scott decided to start a fight rather than try and negotiate.