Nightwing #9 Preview/Discussion SPOILERS

[thwhtGuardian]

A pretty solid issue. By all rights the monologue should have felt boring, but there was just something there that kept it interesting.

[bat39]

The 'Grayson' explanation seemed a bit contrived to me at first, but the symbolism behind it is actually very intriguing-and actually reflects Dick Grayson's own life. Cobb's son was a 'grey son', straddling both sides of Gotham City. That describes Dick as well. Dick may have been born to a circus family, but he ended up as the rich adopted son of the heir to one of the city's most powerful legacies. Dick's role as a hero is born of BOTH his circus background and his association with the Wayne family-he truly represents the 'middle' of the city in that sense.

Its also interesting how the Talons in Nightwing, Red Hood and the Outlaws and B & R are essentially mirror images of the respective Robins. The Talon Dick faces is his own grandfather, a man who straddled two societies, who tried to re-shape Gotham's destiny for (what he perceived) as the better, much as Dick himself would do a century later. The Talon Jason faces is someone who is trying to come to terms with his resurrection and wants to break away from his 'family' and take control of his destiny, much like Jason himself. And the Talon Damien faces is an assassin trained from a very young age, who unlike Damien, was never 'rehabilitated'.

[Guglio08]

Nightwing fanboy bias or not, for the last 4 issues Kyle Higgins has been writing the best Bat title, and perhaps the best DC book.

Yo Batwing and All-Star Western would like to have a word.

[BloodOps]

Nightwing fanboy bias or not, for the last 4 issues Kyle Higgins has been writing the best Bat title, and perhaps the best DC book.

Yeah...no.

You're probably the only one that thinks that.

[nightwing1124]

I just finished Nightwing #9, and I thought it was fantastic! Nightwing was beaten down over and over until his great-grandfather thought it was over. But then, Nightwing used true intellect to defeat the Talon. In my opinion, it was the best of THE NIGHT OF OWLS in the first 3/4 of the month, and the best Nightwing in the new 52. So.......how did you like it?

[Winghead]

I just finished Nightwing #9, and I thought it was fantastic! Nightwing was beaten down over and over until his great-grandfather thought it was over. But then, Nightwing used true intellect to defeat the Talon. In my opinion, it was the best of THE NIGHT OF OWLS in the first 3/4 of the month, and the best Nightwing in the new 52. So.......how did you like it?

Pretty sure thus will be moved to the Nightwing #9 thread but I echo your sentiments on the meantime. Fantastic issue. Can't wait for the next one

[Dr. Hurt]

Nightwing fanboy bias or not, for the last 4 issues Kyle Higgins has been writing the best Bat title, and perhaps the best DC book.

Classic Winghead.

[Winghead]

Fine, maybe there are better DC books (wouldn't know because I stick mainly to the Bat-verse) but I think its fairly unanimous based on both comments on various boards and reviews that the last few issues of Nightwing have been received better than even Batman. I've seen tons of "this was the most enjoyable issue of the entire crossover" etc. about issues 8 and 9, and #7 got pretty much 4.5-5 star reviews all around.

[Dr. Hurt]

So is there any chance for a meaningful Batman or Nightwing story that doesnt have to do with tying their pasts to ninjas, assassins, murderers or whatever?

You know, can they just leave the Wayne family to JUST be a family of good people, helping gotham and then Thomas and Martha dying by a mindless, petty crime?
And Dick Grayson being the son of two acrobats who lost their lives to another such crime? Do the Waynes need to be haunted by assassins, the Graysons to be Gray sons, bread to be talons, etc?

Oh boy, i cant wait till they get their hands on Tim Drake. Turns out, his father was the son of the daughter of the uncle of Darkseid. What, you thought they were just a normal rich family with a good kid like Tim? Hell no! Also, they werent always Drakes. They were called Biebers at first.
Also, Jason Todd's family history involved the League of Shadows and Jim Gordon's family is tied to Vandal Savage.



Man, screw this crap. Stop messing with the past and just tell good stories in the present. Is that so hard?

[maxpower00044]

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[maxpower00044]

So is there any chance for a meaningful Batman or Nightwing story that doesnt have to do with tying their pasts to ninjas, assassins, murderers or whatever?

You know, can they just leave the Wayne family to JUST be a family of good people, helping gotham and then Thomas and Martha dying by a mindless, petty crime?
And Dick Grayson being the son of two acrobats who lost their lives to another such crime? Do the Waynes need to be haunted by assassins, the Graysons to be Gray sons, bread to be talons, etc?

Oh boy, i cant wait till they get their hands on Tim Drake. Turns out, his father was the son of the daughter of the uncle of Darkseid. What, you thought they were just a normal rich family with a good kid like Tim? Hell no! Also, they werent always Drakes. They were called Biebers at first.
Also, Jason Todd's family history involved the League of Shadows and Jim Gordon's family is tied to Vandal Savage.



Man, screw this crap. Stop messing with the past and just tell good stories in the present. Is that so hard?

Classic Dr. Hurt. :D

So I can't weigh in on this yet, because I'm pickin it up tomorrow. Come to think of it, why am I even looking at spoiler threads?


:poof:

[adkal]

...and Jim Gordon's family is tied to Vandal Savage.

So that's why the guy only threatened him over in Batgirl...

:P



(I had a feeling William was 'awake' the whole time - he was probably glad of the paralysis otherwise he probably would have wet himself laughing when he saw Bruce's reaction to him being in the Cave...)

[TZDEKA]

Speaking of, does that mean all the Talons who were frozen in the labyrinth remember being trapped in coffins for centuries? Then again, it sounds like it was only recently that they actually figured out how to bring them back, so maybe they weren't frozen for very long.

[adkal]

Based on Cobb's comments, it's relatively recently (but within his lifetime).

He was probably 'aware' as a result of being made 'active' again - prior to that he was likely 'dead' in the coffin.

[sidekick77]

So is there any chance for a meaningful Batman or Nightwing story that doesnt have to do with tying their pasts to ninjas, assassins, murderers or whatever?

You know, can they just leave the Wayne family to JUST be a family of good people, helping gotham and then Thomas and Martha dying by a mindless, petty crime?
And Dick Grayson being the son of two acrobats who lost their lives to another such crime? Do the Waynes need to be haunted by assassins, the Graysons to be Gray sons, bread to be talons, etc?

Oh boy, i cant wait till they get their hands on Tim Drake. Turns out, his father was the son of the daughter of the uncle of Darkseid. What, you thought they were just a normal rich family with a good kid like Tim? Hell no! Also, they werent always Drakes. They were called Biebers at first.
Also, Jason Todd's family history involved the League of Shadows and Jim Gordon's family is tied to Vandal Savage.



Man, screw this crap. Stop messing with the past and just tell good stories in the present. Is that so hard?

Much of your post could easily apply to Grant Morrison's era of Batman, but for what its worth, I don't feel the revelations that Dick is experiencing in the Owl crossover change his history at all, or who he intends to be--it actually reinforces the type of outlook he has grown to have and his refusal to believe in predestiny.

This is something to take note of, as perception and control influence how Bruce defines himself. So the approach in the Batman books is going to be slightly different.

Decades of embellished writing have made destiny and lore a large part of the Bat mythos. Morrison, in fact, gave it a very grand meaning and established a continuity effect that allowed Bruce to put his footprint over Gotham for thousands of years. Which, you have to admit, is an extreme conceptual element to the Bat books. In Night of the Owls, Snyder is simply attempting to loosen this confidence over the city by shaking his perceptions of the world around him--and to do this he had to create a conflict that doesn't rewrite the history of Gotham, but is actually revealed to be a part of it. This is an insidious foe to Bruce Wayne: things that challenge his ego and id.

At the end of the day, Dick is still an acrobat whose parents died and then meets Bruce to become Robin, nothing has changed. Bruce is still the orphan who lost his parents and devoted his life to be a vigilante, nothing has changed.