Young Justice Superboy evolving

[Froggy]

Beetle and Superboy are probably my two favorite young DC characters, so I definitely enjoyed this one.

i've loved beetle's spaz moments when he's talking tot he scarab

glad they gave it a voice now too

[Superlad93]

But I will say that if he does get TK it will have to deal with Darkseid and the dark gods. Actually I think it would be cool if he got his TK from an Apokoliptan or New Genesis device of some kind. I mainly say this for a few reasons:

1: In season 2 he seems to me like a more technology based Superman character. In the comics he has always be the kid to work with what he's got and never take the easy way out.

2: He seems very interested and knowledgeable about all things Apokoliptan and he he's no good terms with a few new gods. Ever since Superboy was made back in the 90 I always saw him as the "Jack Kirby Superman" mainly because he was hooked to so may of Jacks old concepts.

3: If it were a device and not a power boost it would not cheapen the whole "I can never be as good as you, but it doesn't mean I can't try". If his TK was gained from a device then it wouldn't feel like the writers were throwing away all of that build up and character development just for him to sprout some new power that makes him just as good as Superman. At least that's how I feel about it.

4: Also in season 1 they were doing test on him and the sphere and they seemed to be testing how they would react to one another. So to me that tell me something.

[13th Superman]

But I will say that if he does get TK it will have to deal with Darkseid and the dark gods. Actually I think it would be cool if he got his TK from an Apokoliptan or New Genesis device of some kind. I mainly say this for a few reasons:

1: In season 2 he seems to me like a more technology based Superman character. In the comics he has always be the kid to work with what he's got and never take the easy way out.

2: He seems very interested and knowledgeable about all things Apokoliptan and he he's no good terms with a few new gods. Ever since Superboy was made back in the 90 I always saw him as the "Jack Kirby Superman" mainly because he was hooked to so may of Jacks old concepts.

3: If it were a device and not a power boost it would not cheapen the whole "I can never be as good as you, but it doesn't mean I can't try". If his TK was gained from a device then it wouldn't feel like the writers were throwing away all of that build up and character development just for him to sprout some new power that makes him just as good as Superman. At least that's how I feel about it.

4: Also in season 1 they were doing test on him and the sphere and they seemed to be testing how they would react to one another. So to me that tell me something.

Hmm...those are some interesting points, Superlad. Not unlike the x-ray specs he used to have. It's even possible that their tech may solve his aging block or the human DNA suppression. However I still don't think tk is in the cards. As for the test on SB and the sphere, I think it was just a test on their "bond" through their shared pain, but who knows. Anyways I'm a wait and see kind of guy.

[13th Superman]

Something else comes to mind. The quote, "...to be still again." As well as "I can relate." I wonder if the non aging issue is painful for him or possibly the human kryptonian combination is causing the pain or a combo of the two.

[Superlad93]

Hmm...those are some interesting points, Superlad. Not unlike the x-ray specs he used to have. It's even possible that their tech may solve his aging block or the human DNA suppression. However I still don't think tk is in the cards. As for the test on SB and the sphere, I think it was just a test on their "bond" through their shared pain, but who knows. Anyways I'm a wait and see kind of guy.

As am I 13. I am well aware that TK is very unlikely at this point in the show and I would be more than fine if we kept Superboy as he is now for the remainder of the show (aging fixed at some point but I'm in no hurry really.)

I did have the X-ray specs in mind when coming up with the idea. As for the sphere and new gods thing in general: I just feel that Superboy is so closely tied to ALL things New god in this show (which I like) that there will have to be some big "pay off" if you will at some point. This could just tie to the aging or it could get a bit more out of it. I mean if you look back in the show every New god plot line or just a mention of them have gone through Superboy or had him comment on the matter.

Also the big question about the test on Superboy would be why and how did him and sphere bond? There is a bigger connection there than just sphere liking Superboy. Also how did the scientist even know there would be a bond in the 1st place? Also Darkseid is a partner of the light.

[Superlad93]

Something else comes to mind. The quote, "...to be still again." As well as "I can relate." I wonder if the non aging issue is painful for him or possibly the human kryptonian combination is causing the pain or a combo of the two.

I think he just means it was less complicated when he was "still" aka not alive. Other people made both of them against their wills in a very unnatural way. He's only 5 years old and his life has just been difficult all around and it would probably be much easier if he was "still" again. I think this really struck me when he was talking about his relationship with Mr. M and he was ask how log were they together to which he replayed "my whole life". I just felt the gravitas of his whole situation right then and there.

[13th Superman]

I think he just means it was less complicated when he was "still" aka not alive. Other people made both of them against their wills in a very unnatural way. He's only 5 years old and his life has just been difficult all around and it would probably be much easier if he was "still" again. I think this really struck me when he was talking about his relationship with Mr. M and he was ask how log were they together to which he replayed "my whole life". I just felt the gravitas of his whole situation right then and there.

Thinking about it again, your probably right. With such a short life and experiencing all these emotions and the circumstances of his creation he'd probably want to be "still" again. And yeah Superboy has always been tied to the Kirby mythos since his conception. Project Cadmus, Guardian, Dubbilex, the Newsboys, Knockout even. Within the show, he's held captive with the sphere, meets up with Intergang and the Forever People, and seems focused on Apokolips. There may be a grand connection.

[Superlad93]

Thinking about it again, your probably right. With such a short life and experiencing all these emotions and the circumstances of his creation he'd probably want to be "still" again. And yeah Superboy has always been tied to the Kirby mythos since his conception. Project Cadmus, Guardian, Dubbilex, the Newsboys, Knockout even. Within the show, he's held captive with the sphere, meets up with Intergang and the Forever People, and seems focused on Apokolips. There may be a grand connection.

Yes, for the 1st time really it made me look at Superboy in a new light (no pun intended) that is really never....or should I say never properly touched on when writers use the character. The only small instance outside of the show that I can think of is the last Superboy comic we had before the 52 where he is having a bit of an introspective moment to think about how he was never really a kid or had a childhood. But still this comic still didn't make me think on the level at which the show has me thinking.

I still hold hope that the new 52 Superboy will give me this but so far it has just be him dealing with moral issues which is really nothing new for comics Superboy. But YJ Superboy actually broke the chain and pretty much said out of the gate "ok I wanna be Superman so I'll be a good guy, but what does it mean to be a person and better yet what does it mean to be me". We had no need of the moral battle and it's a really good change if you ask me. That's why I'm sorta worried about how the 52 Superboy is because it seems like the moral battle is all he is and nothing more..."oh I'm a weapon, I'm a weapon" or "oh do I like killing or don't I"

I really just wanna tell him to SHUT UP lol

But as for the YJ Superboy I think that the way his brain works is probably in a very logical manner (we see this by his what he name's his pets: his wolf's name is wolf. His sphere's name is Sphere...simple guy. Also he is a younger Superman so his name is Superboy..though he didn't name himself but you get it) So all of the illogical and more fluid aspects of life have to just annoy him really and are probably very taxing for him. I really enjoy this aspect.

Also yes I can just feel a big connection bubbling up under all of this, in the very fabric of the show and if there is a 3 season then I think that'll come into play or maybe it'll be at the end of this one. I just know that it's there building up.

Really I think at this point YJ Superboy is my favorite Superboy yet or maybe just coming close to his 1st incarnation in the 90's which is odd because the two are very different.

[kelly_warrior_princess]

Come on man look at the clues,and look how far they have already went with him,the writing is on the wall.

Comics should improve your imagination,try it sometime friend,comics are not just what is on the page,but where it can take your imagination.

What clues? There are no clues there, nor is there any writing, on walls or otherwise. We know that the second season is completed (atleast the animation part, with minor fixes & polish still happening), we know that there is not much chance that there is going to be a season 3 & we've been told straight up that Superboy is not going to get TTK. So where exactly are these clues, that write on walls exactly?

As for your lame appeal to motive, i say bad person, no logical fallacies for you.

[stephens2177]

You limit characters to overcome that limit,and he has been limited twice,all the while taking more from his history in the comics.i dont need to have it thrown in my face that its gonna happen,when its the next step in his journey as a character.

[kelly_warrior_princess]

You limit characters to overcome that limit,and he has been limited twice,all the while taking more from his history in the comics.i dont need to have it thrown in my face that its gonna happen,when its the next step in his journey as a character.

So no clues at all then? Just you making assertions.

But how exactly is the YJ Superboy pulling from his history in the comics exactly? The only similarities is that both Superboys were clones of Superman, with two daddies. Beyond that they have alomst nothing else in common.

Sop again i ask, what clues.

[13th Superman]

Yes, for the 1st time really it made me look at Superboy in a new light (no pun intended) that is really never....or should I say never properly touched on when writers use the character. The only small instance outside of the show that I can think of is the last Superboy comic we had before the 52 where he is having a bit of an introspective moment to think about how he was never really a kid or had a childhood. But still this comic still didn't make me think on the level at which the show has me thinking.

I still hold hope that the new 52 Superboy will give me this but so far it has just be him dealing with moral issues which is really nothing new for comics Superboy. But YJ Superboy actually broke the chain and pretty much said out of the gate "ok I wanna be Superman so I'll be a good guy, but what does it mean to be a person and better yet what does it mean to be me". We had no need of the moral battle and it's a really good change if you ask me. That's why I'm sorta worried about how the 52 Superboy is because it seems like the moral battle is all he is and nothing more..."oh I'm a weapon, I'm a weapon" or "oh do I like killing or don't I"

I really just wanna tell him to SHUT UP lol

But as for the YJ Superboy I think that the way his brain works is probably in a very logical manner (we see this by his what he name's his pets: his wolf's name is wolf. His sphere's name is Sphere...simple guy. Also he is a younger Superman so his name is Superboy..though he didn't name himself but you get it) So all of the illogical and more fluid aspects of life have to just annoy him really and are probably very taxing for him. I really enjoy this aspect.

Also yes I can just feel a big connection bubbling up under all of this, in the very fabric of the show and if there is a 3 season then I think that'll come into play or maybe it'll be at the end of this one. I just know that it's there building up.

Really I think at this point YJ Superboy is my favorite Superboy yet or maybe just coming close to his 1st incarnation in the 90's which is odd because the two are very different.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, buddy !

[stephens2177]

So no clues at all then? Just you making assertions.

But how exactly is the YJ Superboy pulling from his history in the comics exactly? The only similarities is that both Superboys were clones of Superman, with two daddies. Beyond that they have alomst nothing else in common.

Sop again i ask, what clues.

That is the clues,his human dna suppressing his kryptonian dna,and not visibly aging are both set up as hurdles to overcome in the future.

[Grendel01]

That is the clues,his human dna suppressing his kryptonian dna,and not visibly aging are both set up as hurdles to overcome in the future.

Which has nothing to do with telekinesis. If anything, the more likely outcome in the context of the show, given what we know, would be for him to become a fully realised Superman, whose TK as we all know is limited to selfpropelled flight and carrying huge objects with him.

Even in the comics, after Geoff Johns silly retcon, the TTK became less and less important and if not mopping around or being dead, Superboy was all about becoming less like Lex Luthor and more like Superman, especially in the powers. An evolution, which ended in Blackest Night, when he finally mastered superbreath and polarbreath. So if even the comics disagree with you, I think you are wrong indeed. But chances are YJ will be canceled(unfortunatly) because it is to much old continuity-like and the next version of Teen Titans or Young Justice might feature a Superboy more like the current DCnU-Superboy with telekinesis and heatvision his only powers.

Then again maybe we get lucky and his series get canceled before that can happens. I do prefer Superboy dealing with crazy Kirby concepts more than having him beating up sociopathic versions of Gen 13 and WildC.A.T.s members with a bad 90ties style X-Men plot going on and multiple part crossover to boot. But that is a different topic.
TTK or not TTK, the current Superboy is not very endearing to me. He really needs a whole lot of improvement before that character, will work.

[stephens2177]

the nuDCU SB was stuck in a bad crossover,thats what happened,before this the book and character was getting praised .check the next three issues,i think the book will turn itself around.

the YJ show could have made SB a full clone of superman,all the powers,but they didnt,they brought in poijts from the comic like lex as daddy,not aging,even the supercycle,its funny how ppl think they will do all that,but not something that is findamemtal to who he is,and what makes him differemt than superman,not to mention what would top of his developmemt as a hero,cause everything is already there,he is only lacking what superman has,and thats being the most powerful hero on earth.

Like i said before,its gonna happen,i dont care if you dont see it coming for a mile,which a lot of you think needs to happen,but it will.