Avengers #26 *Spoilers*

**Gamma Burst** · 05-16-2012, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Van Custo

Am I the only one here who realizes Thor's hammer has the ability to absorb energy? Apparently under Bendis, Thor had no clue either. This was always one of it's key abilities, and it has absorbed MASSIVE amounts of energy in the past. Enough to "destroy whole galaxies".

He never needed Beast's machine to attempt this on the PF.

I couldn't have said it better.

**Zen-aku** · 05-16-2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Van Custo

Am I the only one here who realizes Thor's hammer has the ability to absorb energy? Apparently under Bendis, Thor had no clue either. This was always one of it's key abilities, and it has absorbed MASSIVE amounts of energy in the past. Enough to "destroy whole galaxies".

He never needed Beast's machine to attempt this on the PF.

1. Pheonix is a bit different then mere energy

2. when was the last time any one depicted Thor absorbing energy.

**Van Custo** · 05-16-2012, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Zen-aku

1. Pheonix is a bit different then mere energy

2. when was the last time any one depicted Thor absorbing energy.

1. Sure, I guess that could be true. He didn't even attempt it though. He has bounced back an energy blast from a Phoenix host before though.

2. Absorbing energy is probably the most common of his abilities after the obvious ones like weather manipulation. Just off the top of my mind, he absorbed massive amounts of energy from Glory a while ago in Chaos War (think that was 2011). Also another example that comes to mind is when he killed the Presence in the Avengers a few years back. Maybe 2002. Around the same time he did it to Kang as well. It's not like this is a power he gets to use with every opponent though obviously.

Also the most recent handbooks state Mjolnir still has this ability, and Marvel.com clearly states it is one of Mjolnir's main abilities.

Mjolnir is a virtually unbreakable hammer enchanted by Odin with various enchantments by augmenting its physical qualities via the Odinforce, the life essence of the Asgardian gods, and forged from mystically uru metal, whose chief properties are durability, the ability to maintain enchantment, and absorb energies.

**Sighphi** · 05-16-2012, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Van Custo

Am I the only one here who realizes Thor's hammer has the ability to absorb energy? Apparently under Bendis, Thor had no clue either. This was always one of it's key abilities, and it has absorbed MASSIVE amounts of energy in the past. Enough to "destroy whole galaxies".

He never needed Beast's machine to attempt this on the PF.

Yeah i was cracking up that the other characters where telling Thor how to use his hammer.
And who did Marvel Boy made a promise to?
I still dont understand how his story is working. Unless i just throw everything out my head this stuff just doesnt make sense.

**LeonardEugenius** · 05-16-2012, 08:54 PM

This issue was a 2/5. It added very little and half of it was stuff we've already seen.

**coveredinbees** · 05-16-2012, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Van Custo

Am I the only one here who realizes Thor's hammer has the ability to absorb energy? Apparently under Bendis, Thor had no clue either. This was always one of it's key abilities, and it has absorbed MASSIVE amounts of energy in the past. Enough to "destroy whole galaxies".

He never needed Beast's machine to attempt this on the PF.

To be fair, Thor drank heavily before the mission.

I didn't like the issue much at all. edit: I liked Noh-Varr's girlfriend's friends, and I like him.

**Van Custo** · 05-16-2012, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Sighphi

Yeah i was cracking up that the other characters where telling Thor how to use his hammer.
And who did Marvel Boy made a promise to?
I still dont understand how his story is working. Unless i just throw everything out my head this stuff just doesnt make sense.

It's honestly sad how dumb and even weak Thor has appeared at times in recent books. I'm not a Bendis hater but Thor is just not his thing.

Originally Posted by coveredinbees

To be fair, Thor drank heavily before the mission.

I didn't like the issue much at all.

Lmao touche.

**Zen-aku** · 05-16-2012, 09:04 PM

1. Sure, I guess that could be true. He didn't even attempt it though. He has bounced back an energy blast from a Phoenix host before though.

not Quite the same thing

2. Absorbing energy is probably the most common of his abilities after the obvious ones like weather manipulation. Just off the top of my mind, he absorbed massive amounts of energy from Glory a while ago in Chaos War (think that was 2011). Also another example that comes to mind is when he killed the Presence in the Avengers a few years back. Maybe 2002. Around the same time he did it to Kang as well. It's not like this is a power he gets to use with every opponent though obviously.

IT seems like it hasn't been show cased in any of the main books. I compare it to warpath not flying and namor not electrocuting people.

Needless to say it appears absorbing energy isn't/Hasn't been His go to strategy for quite a while, so it makes sense as to why he dint think to try and absorb it, and even if he did i can buy him needing scientific assistance since the Phoenix is like 3 tiers above Thor's weight class.

As a Thor fan i'm Just happy he was able to wound it twice in one week.

Originally Posted by Sighphi

Yeah i was cracking up that the other characters where telling Thor how to use his hammer.
And who did Marvel Boy made a promise to?
I still dont understand how his story is working. Unless i just throw everything out my head this stuff just doesnt make sense.

The Supreme Intelligence.

**Wren** · 05-16-2012, 09:04 PM

Reading this + SA is too convoluted, he has to butt in on the ONE team that has its own damn book and storyline, lovingly crafted to be independent of the rest??

There's 6 other teams he could have focused on!!

Here Ms Marvel is not into the whole Kree mind control and there she IS and there is no mention of captain Marvel. This adds very little to the progression of the book, except to say that Thor can also (unsuccessfully) absorb some phoenix, like the box in SA can. In return it makes the team do something like fight it once --> go to Hala --> get brainwashed --> fight it again --> go to Hala and meet Cap Marvel? Or whatever is going to happen in the next SA?

PS I'm sick of Protector and his gf, she's been in Avengers exactly 3 times, twice to get introduced and once to say goodbye. What emotional connection could anyone possibly get from their separation when we've never seen them together? We've never seen Protector even TALK about her.

Lazy, stupid, pathetic storytelling.

**Zen-aku** · 05-16-2012, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Wren

Reading this + SA is too convoluted, he has to butt in on the ONE team that has its own damn book and storyline, lovingly crafted to be independent of the rest??

There's 6 other teams he could have focused on!!

no their isn't most of the characters he uses are ether A not doing any thing but punching X-men or B in Space.

H

ere Ms Marvel is not into the whole Kree mind control and there she IS and there is no mention of captain Marvel. This adds very little to the progression of the book, except to say that Thor can also (unsuccessfully) absorb some phoenix, like the box in SA can. In return it makes the team do something like fight it once --> go to Hala --> get brainwashed --> fight it again --> go to Hala and meet Cap Marvel? Or whatever is going to happen in the next SA?

More Like Fight PF > Go To Hala > captain marvel > Fight Again > Protector betrays them.

Also the Box in SA didn't Work, Thor's hammer did. he hurt it and it actually ran away from him.

PS I'm sick of Protector and his gf, she's been in Avengers exactly 3 times, twice to get introduced and once to say goodbye. What emotional connection could anyone possibly get from their separation when we've never seen them together? We've never seen Protector even TALK about her.

You are supposed to feel for protector, his Conflicting Loyalty , the fact he doesn't want to leave and betray earth as he has some thing there.

Its about Protector not about her.

and lets be honest, any time devoted to protector's relationship would be bitched about any way.

**StoneGold** · 05-16-2012, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Prince Of Orphans

Well, that's one hell of a deus ex machina lol

It's a little early in the story for it to count as such.

On the other hand, it was literally a god's machine at that point.

**StoneGold** · 05-16-2012, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Van Custo

Am I the only one here who realizes Thor's hammer has the ability to absorb energy? Apparently under Bendis, Thor had no clue either. This was always one of it's key abilities, and it has absorbed MASSIVE amounts of energy in the past. Enough to "destroy whole galaxies".

He never needed Beast's machine to attempt this on the PF.

Absorbing energy and absorbing the Phoenix, not quite the same thing.

**XPac** · 05-16-2012, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Zen-aku

1. Pheonix is a bit different then mere energy

2. when was the last time any one depicted Thor absorbing energy.

I think the issue is ultimately that's it's a fictional plot device hammer trying to absorb a fictional plot device cosmic being.

So basically, it'll work if a writer feels like it. There's no real science or anything anyone call call foul over. It works if it works and doesn't if it doesn't.

**Wren** · 05-16-2012, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Zen-aku

no their isn't most of the characters he uses are ether A not doing any thing but punching X-men or B in Space.

Who's fault is it if the other characters are not doing anything interesting? The writers. They can write what they want, why do they write 6 teams as boring?

More Like Fight PF > Go To Hala > captain marvel > Fight Again > Protector betrays them.

Except missing Ms Marvel (a plot hole) and whatever happens next in SA. What does it add? A Thor fight. Might as well have put that in SA also and put an X-Men fight here so both storylines are self-contained, instead of making it difficult and making us read the same story twice.

Also the Box in SA didn't Work, Thor's hammer did. he hurt it and it actually ran away from him.

The box never got a chance to work, Cap Britain screwed it up. Actually it's being used by Thor too, just with the hammer, I think?

You are supposed to feel for protector, his Conflicting Loyalty , the fact he doesn't want to leave and betray earth as he has some thing there.

and lets be honest, any time devoted to protector's relationship would be bitched about any way.

No, actually if they had a real storyline for him and his gf, I would love it... like maybe see what he likes about the Earth? How he's adjusting to everyday life on earth, how it's different from Kree life, maybe they have relationship trouble (they should, relationships for kree are surely different than human!)? Maybe see flashbacks of his life? Maybe have him miss home? Does he feel loyal to earth, have the Avengers made him care about earth, and WHY?
We don't know anything about him, nothing to sympathize with.

What has changed about him since start of Avengers? How has he grown? What new things have we learned?

**Zen-aku** · 05-16-2012, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Wren

Who's fault is it if the other characters are not doing anything interesting?

their is a larger story at work here

Edit:Also The better question is why is SA being used for a space adventure thats the book that should be earthbound.

Except missing Ms Marvel (a plot hole) and whatever happens next in SA

Carol was in this.

What does it add? A Thor fight. Might as well have put that in SA also and put an X-Men fight here so both storylines are self-contained, instead of making it unnecessarily difficult and making us read the same story twice.

I think the Much needed Devlopment for Protector as well as the Kree wanting the Phoenix ads just as much as what ever shlock we are gonna get with Captain marvel

The box never got a chance to work, Cap Britain screwed it up. Actually it's being used by Thor too, just with the hammer, I think?

wrogn it was being to work but then the phoenix attacked, and it was only used by thor and warmachine in SA

No, actually if they had a real storyline for him and his gf, I would love it... like maybe see what he likes about the Earth? How he's adjusting to everyday life on earth, how it's different from Kree life, maybe they have relationship trouble (they should, relationships for kree are surely different than human!)? Maybe see flashbacks of his life? Maybe have him miss home? Does he feel loyal to earth, have the Avengers made him care about earth, and why? We never find out.
We don't know anything about him, there's nothing to feel sympathetic for.

People bitch when ever the avenger do any thing but punch badguys. so i don't buy you'd accept that with open arms.

any way its not perfect but we do get from his musings and interaction with his girlfriend, and the pained face he has at the final panel conveys the information we need. you belive that he dose care for the planet and that he doesn't want to do what he is oath bound to do

As for how he has changed, now that he is getting some focus lets see how he changes

EDIT: Avengers 25 also did a good job of setting up Noh-vars conflict, he is apart off the team Stark is friendly towords him and he tells them he is proud to be apart of what they are doing