Spider-Man on a team? NO

[ComicWebReviews]

But he isn't an Underdog as part of the team because it is not like he isn't powerful.

[ceroxide]

Spidey much like Hulk just works better in teams, the way he is just brings the team alive.
Say what you will but Avenging Spider-Man has been great fun for me specially seeing how a great team player he is, what he did with Hawkeye just go to show you what a great guy Spidey is. Then bringing out an old part of the Cap that was just amazing

when he was in FF it was great and when he joined X-23 is one of my favorite pairs... outside of Black Cat that is. To summarize Spidey is the only reason team books work

[ComicWebReviews]

Spidey much like Hulk just works better in teams, the way he is just brings the team alive.
Say what you will but Avenging Spider-Man has been great fun for me specially seeing how a great team player he is, what he did with Hawkeye just go to show you what a great guy Spidey is. Then bringing out an old part of the Cap that was just amazing

when he was in FF it was great and when he joined X-23 is one of my favorite pairs... outside of Black Cat that is. To summarize Spidey is the only reason team books work

Spider-man works BETTER in teams? really? Did you say that?
Spidey is the ONLY reason team books work?

Decades of Spider-man disagree with you in all your points.

[Zen-aku]

Well Civil war was a horrible story.

that's subjective, and the point is the Avengers aren't considered infallible, the fact they have protesters outside the mansion should be proof of that. so him beign on the team doesn't mean that suddenly every one loves him.

[ComicWebReviews]

Then what about...before Civil War?

[Zen-aku]

Then what about...before Civil War?

Before civil war, it was a plot point that JJ and others were pissed he was let on the team. Where as the avengers wouldn't back down cause they new he deserved it.

Spiderman being a pariah is a major part of his character, but eventually he has to raise above it, just like Eventually wolverine did need to get his memory back, and eventually the hulk had to prove once and for all he wasn't a monster.

[Spider-Mike]

No period as in no period at the end of that sentence. I can nitpick too.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!

Over here in the UK we call those full stops, not periods.

Simple mix up there.

I will spell it out for you:
YOU correct my grammar (mostly incorrectly, while your grammar isn't perfect either and was wrong in the same message that corrected mine)
YOU ignore my argument you clearly could have seen from other posts

Ill come out and say what I was hesitant to say, you were being hypocritical by correcting my grammar in the first place.
You were coming off as immature.

Ok.

If that's what you think, glad you had the courage to say it.

I fail to see how you can make these accusations, but I fail to see a lot of what you say so no big loss on my part there.

:-)

Spider-man being a smart alike is a character trait but that isn't the core of Spider-man and stories should not use that sole trait in a story and ignore the full meaning of Spider-man.

Civil war anyone?

When did I say that was everything he is? As I recall I said the exact opposite.

And yes, Civil War. One of the greatest stories Marvel has produced in its existence.

A TONNE of character development for Spider-Man/Peter Parker, his family and interacting teammates in that story.

Your point?

"but that doesn't mean everyone else will agree purely because it is what you think."

I am not saying that. I hate comments like that, it infuriates me. I don't think that at all.
let me spell it out for you...again:
I say Spider-man shouldn't be on a team and give reason why.
people say he should b/c he deserves it.
I say that wasn't the point I was making and explain myself with many reason.

Are we reading the same thread?

The people posting FOR Peter being on a team have given a LOT more reasons that just "he deserves it"

And as I've said before, I disagree with your "reasons"

But he isn't an Underdog as part of the team because it is not like he isn't powerful.

Underdog
1.A competitor thought to have little chance of winning a fight or contest.
2.A person who has little status in society.

How does this not describe Peter's position as an Avenger?

Practically everybody on that team consider themself better than Spider-Man in some way or another.

Physical power has little, if anything, to do with this point.

[ComicWebReviews]

Before civil war, it was a plot point that JJ and others were pissed he was let on the team. Where as the avengers wouldn't back down cause they new he deserved it.

Spiderman being a pariah is a major part of his character, but eventually he has to raise above it, just like Eventually wolverine did need to get his memory back, and eventually the hulk had to prove once and for all he wasn't a monster.

Yes but being a pariah isn't something he didn't have and got like with Wolverine and his memory.

[Spider-Mike]

Yes but being a pariah isn't something he didn't have and got like with Wolverine and his memory.

Good point, but what Zen-aku is trying to point out is that the story has to move on and the character has to evolve otherwise the story either repeats and hence becomes boring or simply dies.

[ComicWebReviews]

I can make this accusations, because you correct my grammar while in the same sentence you had incorrect grammar. DUH.
"Always has been. It's a trait of the character. I can't imagine anything more true to the spirit of Spider-Man than him quipping jokes in life/death superpowered battles."

I think he should NOT be used for that simple reason, only, argue against that.

Civil War was one of the WORST in Marvel's history...
Spider-man should be used for what he is and that isn't just comic relief.
But he doesn't have little chance of winning...

"The people posting FOR Peter being on a team have given a LOT more reasons that just "he deserves it""
My point wasn't that they didn't give multiple reasons, my point was that I obviously don't believe everyone else will agree purely because it is what I think.

[Spider-Mike]

I can make this accusations, because you correct my grammar while in the same sentence you had incorrect grammar. DUH.

Yes. The maturity is shining through there.

If I admit that I see your point and apologise will that get you to stop behaving this way?

"Always has been. It's a trait of the character. I can't imagine anything more true to the spirit of Spider-Man than him quipping jokes in life/death superpowered battles."

I think he should NOT be used for that simple reason, only, argue against that.

I don't need to.

There's nothing to argue against.

You simply contradicted my statement.

Civil War was one of the WORST in Marvel's history...

Your opinion.

One I, and many, disagree with.

Spider-man should be used for what he is and that isn't just comic relief.

I agree and I'm glad that Marvel do too (for the most part)

"The people posting FOR Peter being on a team have given a LOT more reasons that just "he deserves it""
My point wasn't that they didn't give multiple reasons, my point was that I obviously don't believe everyone else will agree purely because it is what I think.

Then why act like a person with a different opinion is wrong when really it's just how they think?

I've read people posting good reasons for him being on a team only for you to reply with contradictions, not arguments.

[ComicWebReviews]

I am not being insulting or anything, I am not being immature, how am I behaving immaturely at all? This a forum, we are debating.
Well you think he should be there b/c he is funny, justly it. i think it is unjustified b/c that is not the core of Spider-man.
Spider-man is used in NA and A mostly as comic relief.
How am I acting like their opinion is wrong? I disagree with it, and i gave my reasons why. That is the point of debating.


"contradictions, not arguments. "
ps: when you read my comments read after the word "because."

[Zen-aku]

Comic relief or not, SM dose fit in with the NA most of them are his friends regardless, and he dose work well with them, Personality, and team work wise.


He also tends to act as the Audience Surrogate.

[Spider-Mike]

I am not being insulting or anything, I am not being immature, how am I behaving immaturely at all? This a forum, we are debating.
Well you think he should be there b/c he is funny, justly it. i think it is unjustified b/c that is not the core of Spider-man.
Spider-man is used in NA and A mostly as comic relief.
How am I acting like their opinion is wrong? I disagree with it, and i gave my reasons why. That is the point of debating.

You're not really doing yourself any favours by misquoting me.

I said WHEN he is used for comic relief, it's funny and that is a PART of Spider-Man's character.

I also said that he ISN'T just comic relief when he is used on a team.

I fail to see anything about Spider-Man's use in team titles or events that differs to his use in his own. Except the obvious fact that he is in costume pretty much the entire time in team titles.

One of my favourite uses of Peter in recent comics is how he was the moral compass and conscience of the New Avengers team during the Dark Reign, standing up to the then leader Clint Barton and defiantly telling him that his way of dealing with Norman Osborn was wrong. Spider-Man is anything but "just comic relief" in Avengers comics.

"contradictions, not arguments. "
ps: when you read my comments read after the word "because."

I did.

[ComicWebReviews]

Comic relief or not, SM dose fit in with the NA most of them are his friends regardless, and he dose work well with them, Personality, and team work wise.


He also tends to act as the Audience Surrogate.

Well of course they are going to show him working well in battles with the New Avengers.
He is slightly too immature and intelligent enough to work alone, and the stories are better. NA stories are never really about him, change him with dead pool and you still have a member just there to make you laugh.