Clark Kent vs Composite Movie Marvel

[Sharpandpointies]

Just going to weigh in here with a note - as one can find in the mod ruling thread, travel speed isn't combat speed, smashing apart a moon by ramming oneself into it doesn't constitute 'moonbusting strength' (as opposed to hitting it and making it go boom), and feats should be presented in or with context.

[Tanrage]

Wouldn't any iteration of Clark with verified lightspeed movment be able to spacetoss for a ring out in the first nanosecond? Cuz I can't think of a single character in any of the live action movies who's shown even one percent of light speed(which is fast enough to circle the earth in a bit over 13 seconds, just giving a sense of scale here) so even stacked most versions of Clark are so much faster than CMM it's s stomp.

[Holacik]

Wouldn't any iteration of Clark with verified lightspeed movment be able to spacetoss for a ring out in the first nanosecond? Cuz I can't think of a single character in any of the live action movies who's shown even one percent of light speed(which is fast enough to circle the earth in a bit over 13 seconds, just giving a sense of scale here) so even stacked most versions of Clark are so much faster than CMM it's s stomp.

Just curious, to how fast do you think Clark can throw something?

[The Drunkard Kid]

Just curious, to how fast do you think Clark can throw something?

He was able to punch WW so hard she was around Venus when she regained her faculties. Even accounting for the speed differential between punching and throwing and whatever period of time it took her to snap back into full consciousness, he should probably be able to grab and chuck Composite Movie Marvel at at least a significant fraction of light speed, or roughly a few hundred thousand times faster than his opponent can react.

[big_adventure]

Ahh, that's better.

Actually, unless Bobby developed an iceman form or something, he still has an organic body. Anything to say that flash freezing him in a block of ice wouldn't kill his ass? Did he actually show immunity to cold?

While Pyro was trying to cook him in X3, Bobby went into ice-form.

[big_adventure]

Wouldn't any iteration of Clark with verified lightspeed movment be able to spacetoss for a ring out in the first nanosecond? Cuz I can't think of a single character in any of the live action movies who's shown even one percent of light speed(which is fast enough to circle the earth in a bit over 13 seconds, just giving a sense of scale here) so even stacked most versions of Clark are so much faster than CMM it's s stomp.

Read the rules - any BFR (spacetoss, ddump, teleport, etc.) is NOT a ringout if you can come back on your own power. Spacetoss never works on flying characters that survive in a vacuum (which the composite can do), in general.

[Tanrage]

Read the rules - any BFR (spacetoss, ddump, teleport, etc.) is NOT a ringout if you can come back on your own power. Spacetoss never works on flying characters that survive in a vacuum (which the composite can do), in general.

That would be my mistake there, I thought there was a ten second rime limit to return to the arena in these circumstances,must have been thinking of something else. Still Clark can probably buy himself fifteen minutes additional prp time this way, though honestly I doubt he'll be able to make good use of it.

[Sharpandpointies]

The 'ten second' thing usually refers to the ability to take someone else out of the fight (completely) for a 10-count. But someone knocked out of the arena has all the time in the world to get back, assuming they are capable. :)

This can lead to amusing fights where the Hulk throws the Thing into another time zone, then gets to hang out and nap while Ben jogs the few thousand miles necessary to return.

[Tanrage]

The 'ten second' thing usually refers to the ability to take someone else out of the fight (completely) for a 10-count. But someone knocked out of the arena has all the time in the world to get back, assuming they are capable. :)

This can lead to amusing fights where the Hulk throws the Thing into another time zone, then gets to hang out and nap while Ben jogs the few thousand miles necessary to return.

Guess that's where I got mixed up then. Ah well, I suppose the next two questions are this the: can Clark suntoss CMM before it can recover and do any of the CMM characters have feats that would inidicate that they could survive the gravity/radiation/heat?

[Rhyvurg]

The composite can teleport, I imagine he could get back to the arena well before he'd reach the sun. Might take more than a few jumps, but he can do it.

[4thHorseman]

Trying to decide whether or not I think Clark could scatter the composite Marvel character if he was made of sand. Being able to whip up a small tornado that would keep the sand away from recreating itself might be one way he could win. Just not sure if Clark doing that, not allowing the sand to reform together either by a tornado or using his breath to keep them away, would count towards a 10-count since it would technically incapacitate the composite character.

[big_adventure]

Trying to decide whether or not I think Clark could scatter the composite Marvel character if he was made of sand. Being able to whip up a small tornado that would keep the sand away from recreating itself might be one way he could win. Just not sure if Clark doing that, not allowing the sand to reform together either by a tornado or using his breath to keep them away, would count towards a 10-count since it would technically incapacitate the composite character.

The thing is, anything Clark does that happens at slower than lightspeed or that takes longer than a very small portion of a second gives the composite time to phase. Spacetossing, tornadoing, etc. all play out of Clark's hands and into the comp's hands. And once THAT happens, it's over.

[Zagreus]

Teleporting, intangible, shapeshifting, sandshape, telekinetic, telepathic (with TP illusion casting from Styker's son), regenerating, webslinging, Hulk/Thor Strength, duplicating, fire/cold immune, genius, invisible, magnetic field manipulating, forcefield generating, energy blasting character, master martial artist with 360 degree radar sense...

Couldn't he just change into intangible grains of sands, force himself into Supes orifaces, and bust out from the inside at Hulk strength? Maybe the composite doesn't have Hulk strength in sand form, but I don't see why not, Sandman was pretty strong in sandform, but some of the dupes could try it, while he's confusng Supes with telepathic illusions or other telepathic tricks. I think the composite would be hard to defeat for pre Flashpoint supes. Too many tricks. Pre crisis probably has it- as pre crisis Supes is just crazy.

[4thHorseman]

Considering the context problems, issue number of this performance?

For the life of me, I can't remember what came of this scan, but I swear it's come up a million times when it comes to Superman's speed. Don't remember whether or not it was dismissed or not as a feat.

As far as issue number, it was around Superman 195 when Seagle and McDaniel were on the book.


And this may be a really dumb question, but if we deal with a composite Superman, does that also mean electric Superman? I'm not sure of what the rules are regarding that phase of the character.

[Holacik]

He was able to punch WW so hard she was around Venus when she regained her faculties. Even accounting for the speed differential between punching and throwing and whatever period of time it took her to snap back into full consciousness, he should probably be able to grab and chuck Composite Movie Marvel at at least a significant fraction of light speed, or roughly a few hundred thousand times faster than his opponent can react.

It takes light 8 seconds to reach Earth, so attempting to toss the composite will firmly give him the win. SS has intersteller flight, he'll be able to react long before he reaches the Sun, he'll fly back phased and just mindwhammy Clark.