The Gorgon vs Kingpin and The Hand

[HulkSmash666]

The Gorgon has set his sights on taking control of The Hand, and his first step in doing that is by killing its current leader, The Kingpin.

Fisk is holed up in his fortress inside Shadowland, with his entire army of Hand ninja. In reserve and acting as his personal bodyguards are his Assassin Elite, and they with him at all times in his secure dojo inside the fortress.

The Assassin Elite consist of:

Bullseye (Twin sai, shuriken, knives)
Typhoid Mary (Katana, bow and arrows)
Lady Bullseye (Twin katana, shuriken, blowgun w/poison darts)
Elektra (Twin sai, katana, shuriken)
Hobgoblin (Flame Sword, pumpkin bombs, electro-shock gloves, razorbats)


To make things more interesting, Daredevil has gotten word of what's going down, and has decided to try and protect Kingpin, fearing massive death and destruction from another Hand take-over bid.

Gorgon has 1 hour to prepare his attack on Shadowland. He is armed with the Grasscutter Sword.

How far does Gorgon get? Can he kill Kingpin and take over control of The Hand?

[big_adventure]

The Gorgon has set his sights on taking control of The Hand, and his first step in doing that is by killing its current leader, The Kingpin.

Fisk is holed up in his fortress inside Shadowland, with his entire army of Hand ninja. In reserve and acting as his personal bodyguards are his Assassin Elite, and they with him at all times in his secure dojo inside the fortress.

The Assassin Elite consist of:

Bullseye (Twin sai, shuriken, knives)
Typhoid Mary (Katana, bow and arrows)
Lady Bullseye (Twin katana, shuriken, blowgun w/poison darts)
Elektra (Twin sai, katana, shuriken)
Hobgoblin (Flame Sword, pumpkin bombs, electro-shock gloves, razorbats)


To make things more interesting, Daredevil has gotten word of what's going down, and has decided to try and protect Kingpin, fearing massive death and destruction from another Hand take-over bid.

Gorgon has 1 hour to prepare his attack on Shadowland. He is armed with the Grasscutter Sword.

How far does Gorgon get? Can he kill Kingpin and take over control of The Hand?

No, he gets taken down, rather easily I'd say. Since they know he's coming, they can all don sunglasses to protect themselves. Hobgoblin or Typhoid Mary would take him out by themselves - he has shown no resistance to either insane Spidey-crippling sonics (Hobgoblin), nor to being set on fire and then beaten against the walls by someone significantly faster than he is (Mary the telekinetic, pyrokinetic bullet-timer). The others can relax and enjoy themselves.

[HulkSmash666]

No, he gets taken down, rather easily I'd say. Since they know he's coming, they can all don sunglasses to protect themselves. Hobgoblin or Typhoid Mary would take him out by themselves - he has shown no resistance to either insane Spidey-crippling sonics (Hobgoblin), nor to being set on fire and then beaten against the walls by someone significantly faster than he is (Mary the telekinetic, pyrokinetic bullet-timer). The others can relax and enjoy themselves.

As a teenager, Tomi practically waded through hundreds of Hand ninja before he killed himself to be ressurected. So the cannon fodder are a cake walk for him.

He's also telepathic and has combat-precog, and is beyond bullet-time speed (slicing arms off a super-speedster mid-blitz, cutting multiple bullets in half mid-flight etc). He would know where everyone in the building is before entering it, and his speed and skill, as well as his stone-gaze are gonna wreak havoc once he gets into close quarters of the fortress.

Everything Bullseye, Elektra, Lady Bullseye and Mary throw or fire at him is gonna be swatted aside, and if any of them are stupid enough to take him on in hand to hand/melee combat, then they should ask Elektra how that went for her last time she had a go at Gorgon.

Add to that his ridiculous damage soak and healing factor, as well as his Grasscutter Sword that can cut through almost anything, and this is in no way going to be an easy fight for The Hand.

[Sharpandpointies]

Basically, the one with any chance at all against him one-on-one is Typhoid Mary, assuming she can snag him with TK then light him up. And that sounds pretty iffy to me.

All at once? I guess it improves Mary's odds of getting him. But he would wreak havoc on the rest of the group.

[QuickDevilRed]

I always wanted to read the arc where daredevil fights wolverine then elektra and wolverine fight gorgon
is that the same arc?
if it is what series is it and what comic #'s?

as for the the fight I don't know haven't seen enough of Gorgon. I guess Daredevil, Elektra, Bullseye, Lady Bullseye, Typhoid Mary and Hobgoblin have to have a chance... or is Gorgon more of a spidey class villain?

[HulkSmash666]

Gorgon's probably beyond Spider-Man, actually. When written by anyone other than Bendis, Gorgon is a beast.

The arc your thinking of was "Enemy of the State" by Mark Millar and JRJr. Wolverine Vol 2. #20-32 for the full story.

[big_adventure]

Typhoid Mary would spank Spidey in an arena fight. She's not enough slower than he is to get blitzed (being a BT'er herself), and he has no defenses against burning or TK.

Sharp, I don't see how Mary fails to stop Gorgon, really - unless we're adding in liberal doses of CIS, but that's as big a deal for Gorgon as for Mary. I mean, he's not blitzing her. His consistent feats are by no means superspeed - he gets hit by CBPH-ish people in all-out combat all the time, and if we're giving away superspeed due to one (or a few) smackdown(s) of a speedster, Wolverine and Deathstroke are both lightspeed+.

HulkSmash666 - totally agreed that he slices through the cannon fodder ninja. I didn't even mention them because it was silly. But Gorgon has no sonic, TK or PK resistance feats, so he gets bitch-slapped.

Sharp, you haven't read new Hobgoblin, so you may not want to rule him out. He's a class 10/15, durable (tanks Spidey punches), fast-healing (gobby formula), CBPH-or-more (fast enough to fight Spidey, no BT feats though) crazy dude with a sonic scream that shut Spidey down instantly. Think Black Canary on 'roids. Spidey had to invent the invisibility/anti-sonics suit that Scarlet Spider (Kaine) is currently wearing to have the slightest chance against him. He raided a massive weapons cache left behind by Orborn, so he's got a glider, tons of advanced bombs and 'rangs, and a giant, nasty, cuts-through-anything-ish sword that Normy had stocked up. Not that anything but the scream matters - Gorgon can't resist it.

[big_adventure]

Gorgon's probably beyond Spider-Man, actually. When written by anyone other than Bendis, Gorgon is a beast.

The arc your thinking of was "Enemy of the State" by Mark Millar and JRJr. Wolverine Vol 2. #20-32 for the full story.

Spider-Man destroys Gorgon in a heads-up fight. Gorgon will never hit a faster, stronger guy with pre-cog.

[Sharpandpointies]

Sharp, I don't see how Mary fails to stop Gorgon, really - unless we're adding in liberal doses of CIS, but that's as big a deal for Gorgon as for Mary. I mean, he's not blitzing her. His consistent feats are by no means superspeed - he gets hit by CBPH-ish people in all-out combat all the time, and if we're giving away superspeed due to one (or a few) smackdown(s) of a speedster, Wolverine and Deathstroke are both lightspeed+.

I'm just not certain how strong Mary's TK is. I've rarely seen it used. And lighting him on fire might not stop him from killing her, given his own bullet-time speed (he's a board recognized high-end bullet-timer, as I recall) and healing factor.

If her TK is strong enough to casually snag him and toss him around, great. She stomps.

Sharp, you haven't read new Hobgoblin, so you may not want to rule him out. He's a class 10/15, durable (tanks Spidey punches), fast-healing (gobby formula), CBPH-or-more (fast enough to fight Spidey, no BT feats though) crazy dude with a sonic scream that shut Spidey down instantly. Think Black Canary on 'roids. Spidey had to invent the invisibility/anti-sonics suit that Scarlet Spider (Kaine) is currently wearing to have the slightest chance against him. He raided a massive weapons cache left behind by Orborn, so he's got a glider, tons of advanced bombs and 'rangs, and a giant, nasty, cuts-through-anything-ish sword that Normy had stocked up. Not that anything but the scream matters - Gorgon can't resist it.

Admittedly, I'm not familiar with the character.

[QuickDevilRed]

her pyrokenisis didn't seem that tough, I mean she lit daredevil on fire and he had to meditate for a while but he didn't die or anything, or even have any lasting scarring

[big_adventure]

her pyrokenisis didn't seem that tough, I mean she lit daredevil on fire and he had to meditate for a while but he didn't die or anything, or even have any lasting scarring

She wasn't trying to kill him or bloodlusted though. If she lights Gorgon on fire, all she has to do is play keep-away from a dude in the throws of intense pain for a minute or two (and she's a bullet-timer herself) while he burns to ash. His durability is not that impressive - he has zero feats for resisting burning that I'm aware of.

Where does Gorgon's high-end BT status come from? That seems kind of out of character for a guy who's only a smidge faster than Logan in several engagements, and who gets fought evenly by others with nothing more than CBPH speed (Phobos, for example).

[Sharpandpointies]

Dude does stuff like bounce around automatic weapons fire from his sword (multiple shooters) so that it zips back and kills the shooters.

As I recall, he also proves too fast for both Daredevil and Elektra.

Lots of bullet-timers end up getting fought evenly by comic book peak humans. There should be a scan of that happening beside the definition of PIS. :)

[Muadib]

Wolverine hitting Gorgon is PIS is a major major way. Gorgon casually swats aside bullets, and takes out other speedsters. Plus his TP and precog, he's probably going to wreck the Hand's defenders.Mary and Hobgoblin are the 2 with a chance of stopping him though. If they are fast enough, which i doubt personally.

[HulkSmash666]

Wolverine hitting Gorgon is PIS is a major major way. Gorgon casually swats aside bullets, and takes out other speedsters. Plus his TP and precog, he's probably going to wreck the Hand's defenders.Mary and Hobgoblin are the 2 with a chance of stopping him though. If they are fast enough, which i doubt personally.

To be fair, Logan landed most of his strikes when he was being impaled by Gorgon's swords and they were entangled. Other than that, Logan barely landed any clean hits without being damaged in return. He would absorb hits just to get in close enough to impale Gorgon on his claws, and barely slowed Gorgon down.

[HectorP]

Wolverine hitting Gorgon is PIS is a major major way. Gorgon casually swats aside bullets, and takes out other speedsters. Plus his TP and precog, he's probably going to wreck the Hand's defenders.Mary and Hobgoblin are the 2 with a chance of stopping him though. If they are fast enough, which i doubt personally.

Wasn't he keeping up with a chi-wielding current Iron Fist as well?