Some days a girl wants to ride ponies. Some days a girl wants to punch tanks. Today ... is a tank day.
Wonder Woman - Eight months into the comic
I'm fine with a joyless story, and as I keep saying, I'm trying to be patient with this one. It's just dragging on a bit too long, and from the covers and the solicits, it seems we're going to have at least three more months of joyless, dark story before this finishes.
However, the fact that this is one story is why I haven't dropped the book yet. I just don't want this whole tone to be considered normal for Diana - it doesn't work for me, personally.
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The most accepted thoery is that Didio had dinner with Azzarello, dropped in a plan he had for WW, and Brian was like "No that sucks".It seems to me that the primary reason he altered the origin of the character is so that he could tell the 'great story' he had in mind. That was how he supposedly approached Didio - not with 'great ideas for Diana' but with a 'great story to tell.'
This 'great story' is based around a demi-goddess daughter of Zeus and a pregnant woman bearing Zeus's child. It doesn't hold up if Diana isn't Zeus's daughter.
"I had a story" is something writers say everytime. In every interview Snyder keeps saying "I had this big story I wanted to tell" (damn owls).
What's this thing now that she's BLAND?!
Whatever you like it or not, that's an entirely different matter.
And again, WW from pre to post Flashpoint is the same character. Same attitude, same look at the world, same origins (later revelead to be different but not erased).
Fan arts show Superboy and Red Robin having steaming hot homosexual sex. No, fans aren't always right.You will learn from fan art. The comic is wrong and the fans are right.
He has never said he wanted to chance what people thought of her, he said he wanted to make her overall world more interesting and guess what, to me, he did it.It is the same with Wonder Woman. Again, five times as many people bought the Wonder Woman DVD as bought Azzarello's #1. If he wants to change what people think of when they think Wonder Woman, there are a lot of fans he hasn't sold yet: and ultimately, it's us rather than him that decide.
You sure about that?Fan arts show Superboy and Red Robin having steaming hot homosexual sex. No, fans aren't always right.
He probably has made the gods more interesting to be sure; though I hope that the next writer that comes along realizes that they've worn out their welcome for a while at any rate. As to Wonder Woman's world? I don't think so.He has never said he wanted to chance what people thought of her, he said he wanted to make her overall world more interesting and guess what, to me, he did it.
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It's a detective wearing a MASK! How it's turning into a sinner from the Year Zero a logical step!? Are you messing with me?!and is somewhat more of a malleable concept.
It's called "Superhero legacy", the Question didn't changed sex out of nowhere, a new character took the mantle of masked-detective, just like Donna Troy was WW for some issue. Yes, there's a concept behind it, but it's hardly something that allows for interdimensional godly reshaping.The Question I found most interesting was a girl. If the Question moves from one person and sex to another, some kind of cosmic entity seems plausible, similar to the Spectre.
Yes.You sure about that?
I know what you want from the next writer and I don't approve.though I hope that the next writer that comes along realizes that they've worn out their welcome for a while at any rate.
To be honest, we don't know that. We have no idea at this stage of the game how important Diana's parentage is to the story. However, I'm betting it's a key factor - just a hunch though.That's one line of dialogue that would need change. Instead of wanting the son of Zeus, Hades could want Diana for revenge into being tricked. That's it.
However, you are now talking about changing a key moment/motivation in the story in order to make her parentage not relevant.
I'm going to wait and see, but again, I still get the impression and feel overall that Azzarello is changing the Amazons, the supporting cast, the origin and the tone to suit the story he wants to tell rather than altering his story to fit the existing characters and world.
But, to WhiteOro's point, I think that the clay statue "origin"--even though it has been revealed to be a "legend" or a lie== is integral to the character as Azzarello is writing. Her mix of introversion (even if you're not necessarily a fan of it) and empathy for the lost and lonely--it all seems to stem from her upbringing as the clay girl, the only different one, the too-perfect princess within a close-knit community. It's a plausible take on how that upbringing would have helped to shape her personality.
Is she having an outburst or being withdrawn when she talks strategy with Hippolyta or spars with Aleka in issue 2, talks with Zola about family in issues 4 or 5, or confronts Poseidon in 5 and Hades in 8?For much of the time she does have emotional outbursts but there is no middle ground. She is either withdrawn and distant or sobbing/beserk.
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I think it's the nature of this story that doesnt allow for much smiling. It would be pretty weird if she was happy when all these revelations hit her. But it's the nature of the book as well. It's less Superman and more Swamp Thing or Hellboy, so it's less smiling in the sunshine and more atmospheric gloom. It's just the nature of the book.
I'd love a second book that becomes the Incorporated to this book's Detective comics, but i'm also fine with this book as it is. In other words i like the variety. But i would like to finally get to see Azz's endgame because i've kinda grown tired of waiting to see what he does with all those untied plot threads. What's up with the Amazons, what's up with Zola's baby, etc.
But so would making Superman the product of a top secret genetics lab, or having Bruce Wayne's father be the original Batman who trained as raised his son as a successor.
Making a major change to fundamental aspects of just about any character can open up more story possibilities, but you don't see DC doing this to their major characters. I'm still of the firm belief that one of the things that makes Batman and Superman so popular (besides their gender ;) ) is the consistency in their origins, supporting cast and environment.
Superman was from Krypton, rocketed to Earth in a ship to escape an exploding planet, raised by the Kents in Smallville, became a mild-mannered reporter in Metropolis at the Daily Planet and works with Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen and Perry White.
Batman became a costumed crime fighter to protect Gotham and avenge the murder of his parents. He was raised in stately Wayne Manor by a kindly old Butler named Alfred, took Dick Grayson in as his ward, and works alongside Commissioner Gordon.
There are fundamentals to a character that the average non-comic reader probably knows some or all of, yet they keep changing this for Wonder Woman.
I just find it kind of disheartening.
And yeah, I'm not crazy about the total change from 'beloved daughter' to 'lost and lonely princess.' I just think 'lost and lonely' has been done to death <shrug>
I can respect that there are people who didn't like the old version and who are enjoying the new version. I just think those who loved the old version and aren't too fond of Azzarello's take deserve consideration as well.