Should the Black Widow become a crime-fighting partner of Spider-Man?

[Darthfury78]

Since The Black Widow is featured in Amazing Spider-Man: Ends of the Earth storyline, does anyone else feels that she should be one of his reoccurring crime fighting partners as a alternative to The Black Cat? I figured since The Black Cat has crossed over to Daredevil's world, I feel that an exchange for The Black Widow could be ideal since we rarely ever see Spider-Man and The Black Widow working together. I feel that she should have been one of his longstanding crime fighting partners. I like to see more team-up stories between them. Don't you agree?

She's much better with Winter Soldier.

True. But, if The Black Cat isn't around, then The Black Widow could work with Spider-Man every now and again. After seeing his real persona, one might think that Spidey's is more in line with Winter Soldier and Daredevil, which might prompt The Black Widow to establish a real partnership with him outside of The Avengers. Natasha would make for an interesting alternate female crime fighting partner to Felicia Hardy.

Eh, I think she is pretty driven to be a superhero, that is what separates her from someone like Nick Fury. She's a spy by her training, but her motivations these days are essentially superheroic. So she'll accept missions to shut down terrorists, but she's also an Avenger, she's always done standard crimefighting in her offdays, and she honestly gets restless when she doesn't— occasionally even swearing off spywork all together because she feels morally compromised by it. That said, she fits more naturally into the gritty organized crime world of Daredevil than she does into Spider-man's science fiction soap opera.

I sometimes feel that The Black Widow and Spider-Man could work well together as he sometimes does with Ms. Marvel and Silver Sable. And both Carol and Silver don't necessary fit into Spidey's world either. And a spy is in some ways like a scientist who conducts observation of proof and fact finding.

No! IMO, their worlds should only extremely rarely intersect outside of Avengers.

Say that to Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman, and Silver Sable who do not normally intersect in Spider's world outside of The Avengers or Heroes of Hire either. But they are more than willing to come to his aid. Not to mention that Daredevil and Spider-Man have a good working relationship, as well as the fact that The Black Cat in now part of Matt's world. So it's only fair for The Black Widow to come into Spidey's world in exchange for The Black Cat.

I love the idea of Widow replacing Black Cat. Could be a neat effective duo and lovers jumping from rooftops after rooftops.

I like to think that Ms. Marvel, The Black Widow, Spider-Woman, and Silver Sable have feelings for Spidey in different ways in the form of mutual admiration. But as far as it becoming a serious relationship, I feel that it's best to keep things at the mutual friends level as this sort of diverse group of heroines is to ensure that no one stands out as a potential love interest for Spider-Man without upsetting the other heroines who are interested in him, even if they are in their respective relationship already. But I could see Natasha dating Peter Parker, like Carol Danvers. But I would think that she would not go beyond the friends level regarding their mutual relationship because she's not the type to settle down and start a family, is she?

I do think that one problem with Peter dating another super heroine is regardless of who it is, I can't see it lasting.

Call me naive, but even post One More Day I still think Mary Jane is THE ONE for Peter. Every other relationship he's in is basically just filling time until they decide to somehow someway get those two back together. I think Black Widow makes potentially fun filler, like Carol did... but to me at least it's never going to feel more than that.

The thing about Carol and Peter's date is that it was only in one issue. With the up coming Avenging Spider-Man #9 and #10, we'll be seeing them teaming for the first time in over 2 years since her series ended. To be honest, I doubt that we'll ever see Carol teaming up with Peter in Amazing Spider-Man unless a guest writer wants to do a story that crosses over into the new Captain Marvel series. I don't think we'll be seeing Peter dating a female hero within the pages of Amazing Spider-Man or The Avengers. Anything further regarding The Black Widow and Spider-Man would have to take place within Avenging Spider-Man that could carry over to a potential Black Widow mini-series.

Also, I never said that any of the heroines mentioned with become a love interest for Peter Parker. Only to serve as a alternate crime fighting partner for the Black Cat. But that's not to stay that they don't have any feelings for Spidey that could indicate more than just friends or teammates? This was the type of relationship that Peter used to have with the Black Cat before she forgot that Peter was Spider-Man.

the way things are in the current 616 I'd say no

In the Earth-616 continuity, I will say that the only viable option is a mutual friendship that doesn't go beyond "The Pals" level regarding Spidey's relationship with a super heroine who has strong feelings for him. A mutual friendship works out best in this regard because why have Spidey in a romantic relationship if we all know that it's not going to last?

Start a family, no, but she is someone who really enjoys monogamy, who tends to be very serious and deeply committed to her personal relationships. That's what I don't get about a lot of this conversation, the assumption that Natasha and Felicia are interchangeable. They have similar costumes and codenames, but very different personalities. Felicia is flirty and fun and likes to keep things casual and uncomplicated, Natasha is serious and guarded— her love life, in particular, is overwrought and tragic.

And I really don't like the idea of independent heroines being used as rotating possible love interests for Marvel's flagship character.

First, the independent heroines are not going to become a possible love interest for Spider-Man. That we can all agree with. Second, Spider-Man has an occasional crime frighting partner who is serious and guarded, which are respectively Ms. Marvel and Silver Sable. But Natasha could make for an interesting crime fighting partner for Spider-Man depending on the story. And no one has said that they have to be in a romantic relationship. As you said, we don't need any of that right now. I would be satisfied with Natasha and Peter establishing a mutual friendship than anything else outside of the Avengers social circle in the same manner as he has with Carol Danvers. The reason to why I don't mind seeing The Black Widow teaming up with Spider-Man is because she is different from the Black Cat. And Natasha is one of the small number of heroines who would make for an alternate crime fighting partner to The Black Cat because she is all business and she would expect nothing less from Spider-Man.

[Aziz Abbasi]

The idea of Black Cat being his partner was fine when they were in love, and asking for her help at times of great need is fine, it makes sense
But with Natasha I'd say no, her teaming up with DD or Haawkeye would make as much sense as BC & Spidey teaming up, but I'm not fond of Natasha & Spidey being a regular tag team

[Darthfury78]

The idea of Black Cat being his partner was fine when they were in love, and asking for her help at times of great need is fine, it makes sense
But with Natasha I'd say no, her teaming up with DD or Hawkeye would make as much sense as BC & Spidey teaming up, but I'm not fond of Natasha & Spidey being a regular tag team

Spider-Man has never had a person like The Black Widow as a crime fighting partner on an alternate basis. Since The Black Cat now resides in Daredevil's world, it would make for an interesting trade off to get the Black Widow as a fair exchange. She's now in a team-up story with Spider-Man, along with Silver Sable. But what makes this interesting is the fact that I've long to see Natasha establish an unlikely partnership with Spider-Man who he could turn to for help every now and again and vice versa.

Spider-Woman is now in Hawkeye's world and Black Cat in Daredevil's world. Thus, the one ally who would make for an occasional crime fighting partner is The Black Widow. This way, the Spidey-readers will finally get to see Spider-Man in Black Widow's world on their team-up adventures.

[themadlbb]

I like the idea of Black Widow teaming with Spidey, but primarily because I love the female team ups with him in general. I notice that the male superheroes shrug him off or act annoyed, but the females love to engage in snarky repartee with our web-slinging friend. That's part of the reason I'm digging ends of the earth right now.

[Mister Mets]

The Black Widow and Spider-Man deal with different types of threats, so a partnership would be problematic.

Occasional team-ups could be interesting. It would be fun to have Black Widow get involved in a gang war where she's a bit out of her element, but Spider-Man is intimately familiar with all of the figures involved.

[Darthfury78]

The Black Widow and Spider-Man deal with different types of threats, so a partnership would be problematic.

Occasional team-ups could be interesting. It would be fun to have Black Widow get involved in a gang war where she's a bit out of her element, but Spider-Man is intimately familiar with all of the figures involved.

Sometimes, The Black Widow and Spider-Man's threats could intertwine, just like their connection with The Sinister Six. Imagine if one of Natasha's enemies are also Spider-Man's antagonists, like Omega Red or The Red Skull?

The one thing that I would love to see is for Spider-Man to be out of his element in Natasha's world and learn to adapt to those situations that she's used to dealing with. Spidey could certainly learn a lot from Natasha's experiences with criminal activities on a global scale. Sometimes, her problems could become Spider-Man problems that would force them to work together in ways that are different from his team-up adventure with The Black Cat.

[ComicWebReviews]

if you have seen my thread you know my opinion, NO

[Darthfury78]

if you have seen my thread you know my opinion, NO

And what reason for this sort of hostility as opposed to Spider-Man x Daredevil teaming-up? And Natasha's was Matt's crime fighting partner. And Daredevil has a good working relationship with Spider-Man. And The Black Cat is very fond with Matt more than Spider-Man. So my question is why can't the Black Widow be an alternate crime fighting partner for Spider-Man rather than The Black Cat who now resides in DD's world?

Spider-Man even has an unlikely partnership with Ms. Marvel who is way out of his crime fighting element. Yet they work together on occasion. I'll admit that Ms. Marvel and Spider-Man has never worked together in Amazing Spider-Man. I have yet to see Spider-Man in Black Widow's world in comparison to him being in Daredevil or Ms. Marvel's world. I feel that it's way overdue for Spider-Man to be in Natasha's world for a change because it would be cool to see how he reacts to the sorts of things that she deals with outside The Avengers.

[ComicWebReviews]

And what reason for this sort of hostility as opposed to Spider-Man x Daredevil teaming-up? And Natasha's was Matt's crime fighting partner. And Daredevil has a good working relationship with Spider-Man. And The Black Cat is very fond with Matt more than Spider-Man. So my question is why can't the Black Widow be an alternate crime fighting partner for Spider-Man rather than The Black Cat who now resides in DD's world?

Spider-Man even has an unlikely partnership with Ms. Marvel who is way out of his crime fighting element. Yet they work together on occasion. I'll admit that Ms. Marvel and Spider-Man has never worked together in Amazing Spider-Man. I have yet to see Spider-Man in Black Widow's world in comparison to him being in Daredevil or Ms. Marvel's world. I feel that it's way overdue for Spider-Man to be in Natasha's world for a change because it would be cool to see how he reacts to the sorts of things that she deals with outside The Avengers.

I don't have a major problem with the team ups, I have a problem with him being a regular member of a team. But this wouldn't be as bad as him on a team, I doesn't hurt Spider-man as a character, so i guess I need to say I wouldn't like it for different reasons. I don't think Spider-man should work with Black Widow on a regular basis, and it doesn't make sense if hes in FF and New Avengers.

[Darthfury78]

I don't have a major problem with the team ups, I have a problem with him being a regular member of a team. But this wouldn't be as bad as him on a team, I doesn't hurt Spider-man as a character, so i guess I need to say I wouldn't like it for different reasons. I don't think Spider-man should work with Black Widow on a regular basis, and it doesn't make sense if hes in FF and New Avengers.

I will agree that Spider-Man might work best as a reserve member of The Avengers. It doesn't make sense to have him with The Avengers as nothing more than a comic relief. I don't follow up on Avengers that much because there are just too many other characters whose dialog are short. As with The Black Widow, I do agree that she should not appear on a regular basis as it might take the attention away from Spider-Man. We have already seen Spider-Man's previous relationship with The Black Cat in the mid-1980's when she was his crime fighting partner on a regular basis. It crashed and burned very quickly. And I also agree that a team-up adventure would depend on the type of story that is presented to the reader.

For example, if The Black Cat and Venom were used in the Ends of the Earth storyline instead of The Black Widow and Silver Sable, we would have had a very different type of story in comparison to the one we now have. I could be wrong. But it was nice to see The Black Widow and Silver Sable working together with Spider-Man as this was a first. The story is very good so far. But once the story arc has concluded, it's back to classic Spider-Man adventures where he's in his own world. And this is a plus for those who just want to read about Spider-Man and his world.

[John Ossie]

I don't think it'd work unless you made stories like Ends Of The Earth a regular thing personally or some other terrorist threat that they both happen to be dealing with so I voted no.

[Spidey_Legend]

I think the partnership will only be possible in special circunstance like this Ends of the Erth arc or something like the old team up.

[Mister Mets]

Sometimes, The Black Widow and Spider-Man's threats could intertwine, just like their connection with The Sinister Six. Imagine if one of Natasha's enemies are also Spider-Man's antagonists, like Omega Red or The Red Skull?

The one thing that I would love to see is for Spider-Man to be out of his element in Natasha's world and learn to adapt to those situations that she's used to dealing with. Spidey could certainly learn a lot from Natasha's experiences with criminal activities on a global scale. Sometimes, her problems could become Spider-Man problems that would force them to work together in ways that are different from his team-up adventure with The Black Cat.

For a partnership, the threats would have to intertwine quite regularly. And that's a problem when Spider-Man deals with local stuff (crooks, gangs, etc) on missions that keep him in New York City while the Black Widow deals with international threats (terrorists, international intrigue) on missions that take her to foreign locations.

[ngroove]

Sometimes, The Black Widow and Spider-Man's threats could intertwine, just like their connection with The Sinister Six. Imagine if one of Natasha's enemies are also Spider-Man's antagonists, like Omega Red or The Red Skull?

Those Reds are neither; Omega is Wolverine's, and Skull is Captain America's.

[ngroove]

Spider-Woman is now in Hawkeye's world and Black Cat in Daredevil's world. Thus, the one ally who would make for an occasional crime fighting partner is The Black Widow. This way, the Spidey-readers will finally get to see Spider-Man in Black Widow's world on their team-up adventures.

I truly believe Black Cat has "graduated" from Spidey, to Daredevil, to streamline, less complicate Spidey's / Peter's personal life, to make way for MJ again.

I'm voting "NO", because your theory is basically replacement; to re-complicate things again.