Psylocke/Captain Britain in Uncanny X-Force

[MartinRedmond]

He put his heart and soul into that punch. His very being.

Every fiber of his very being.

[Loki]

Meggan cannot control her powers at first and transforms to what is appropriate. She looks like that as she is cold. To be honest Meggan doesn't really have a true form, or should we say, we have never seen it too much (and she seems indecisive). When we first meet her, she looks quite ghastly but CB helps her and, after she comes to apologise for the death of some bloke, he takes her in. Actually I may be wrong, haven't read it all in too much detail.

No, you are more or less correct. What you are wrong about is her true form - we saw it in Excalibur #47. But apart from that, you have the facts correct.

Captain Britain always liked her.

Also correct, bar their very first encounter, but that was when she was literally maddened by the moon and he encountered her attacking someone.

[Guest_1001]

he beat his girlfriend under commands from his mistress (or, rather, the woman who killed his mistress and took her form, and whom he loved anyway).

Yeah, "mind control" is the same as "under commands from". If my boss told me to jump off a cliff, I'd do that because I'd been commanded to ... ¬_¬

Are trolls of this calibre really allowed on CBR?

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Guest_1001 you keep bandying about the phrases phrases "Cap-haters", "CB haters" etc. - and yet, as far as I can can count, every person calling out Captain Britain for his faults in this thread (save dn@n), has professed to enjoying the character. I do too - but I also don't see him as a paragon of British virtue and honor either.

So an artist doesn't actually know what he is drawing?

Playing dumb is never an attractive quality.

[Loki]

Do you know what "jinxed" means?

It doesn't mean he simply became unlucky, as jinxed might normally be taken to mean. Roma explained it and it was more than that. In this instance, he was made unable to function solo. It made him clumsy, it made him misinterpret things, and it made him rush in when he otherwise might have taken time to think things through. And his growing frustration at himself, because he knew this was happening but not why, simply exacerbated those flaws.

So when the character acts in a way that bothers you, it's mischaracterisation. It doesn't work that way. You can't choose what works and throw away what upsets you. The fact is that it happened on-panel. I agree that she developed a lot after that, but in those issues, everything she did was a way to try to get Brian's attention and/or to not upset him.

I accept that you can't pick and choose the bits that suit (despite that comment being more appropriately aimed at the CB haters, who happily pick panels out of context and ignore the vast majority of stories which depict Brian very differently from how they like to portray him). But accepting all the appearances also means you can, legitimately, notice the times that a person acts differently from how they normally do.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Only in early Excalibur - that's the characterisation Chris Claremont handled wrongly.

how was it wrong? Even if you don't personally like it, it's the best known characterisation.

[darknessatnoon]

Guest_1001 you keep bandying about the phrases phrases "Cap-haters", "CB haters" etc. - and yet, as far as I can can count, every person calling out Captain Britain for his faults in this thread (save dn@n), has professed to enjoying the character. I do too - but I also don't see him as a paragon of British virtue and honor either.

I enjoy him like I do Archie Bunker.

[Loki]

Anyone remember when he left her in hell?

Yes. Unlike you, I also remember that was because he believed she was an illusion, just like everything else Plokta had conjured up. Plokta had shown him the things he most desired, so it is clear that being reunited with her was one of those things. And to break free of Plokta's illusions he had to reject them - absolutely everything else Plokta had shown everyone, not just Brian, was an illusion, so it was perfectly understandable that Brian would believe that Meggan was too. The whole point of that scene was not that Brian didn't care about Meggan, but rather that he'd been cruelly tricked into giving up the one thing he most wanted, to be reunited with her.

[Loki]

he beat his girlfriend under commands from his mistress (or, rather, the woman who killed his mistress and took her form, and whom he loved anyway).

Again, mind control. Not in control of his actions, and not responsible for them. Just like any other character under mind control in comics.

[MartinRedmond]

I don't like Captain Britain, he's a violent drunk.

[OJSlaughter]

No, you are more or less correct. What you are wrong about is her true form - we saw it in Excalibur #47.

I cannot find her true form in issue 47. Do you mean this part of issue 46?

[Loki]

Playing dumb is never an attractive quality.

I agree, which is why I find people trying to make out that Alan Davis didn't know what he was intended to draw so silly.

[Loki]

how was it wrong? Even if you don't personally like it, it's the best known characterisation.

Best known does not mean current or most consistent. Iron Man is best known as a drunk, but that was a phase from long ago.

[Loki]

I cannot find her true form in issue 47. Do you mean this part of issue 46?

yes, sorry, I was an issue out.

[Home made ectoplasm]

I agree, which is why I find people trying to make out that Alan Davis didn't know what he was intended to draw so silly.

A lot of art comes from the subconscious