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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneNecromancer View Post
    I may be wrong, but wasn't that mainly Quesada and JMS didn't want to do it and wanted his name removed from the story afterwards?
    Yeah if anything JMS's run made the marriage work better than anyone else prior to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auguste Dupin View Post
    Heh, it's very possible. At the very least, I guess he's probably behind Dunn's come back (the guy loses his powers at the end of the original story).
    But yeah, the guy has a huge potential , at least in a metatextual sense. Superman done wrong, mind over muscle...... At first I was a bit disapointed to see he has a costume (he didn't in that first story), but I guess that if he's supposed to be a Superman villain ,he needs to look the part.
    Oh yea you're right! I didn't even think of the possibility of him being the one who had him come back. Almost like drudging up an old relic to face the new and improved model or something like that lol.

    And Yea I suppose he would need to look the part lol. But one interesting thing is that Dunn had no hair. This could be a way to separate him and Lex idk but he does seem to be balding if that is him on the cover.

    Wonder what the pouches on his suit are for?

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    I wasn't referring to OMD, I was referring to what happened on Facebook (which JMS took down, but thanks to the internet it was saved!).

    Quote Originally Posted by JMS
    Stephen Wacker: nowhere in my post did I say word one about the current creative team. Nowhere in the post was there the sort of personal attack you engage in here. Nowhere do I characterize anyone or impugn their motives or integrity. I was simply passing along raw numbers, which you do not actually refute, you simply yell at me for posting them and call names and engage in other essentially churlish behavior. In regards to ducking out of controversy, I would like to know what that refers to as I have never stepped away from either controversy or sharing my opinion.

    I have always made it very clear that when I came aboard ASM I brought Peter and MJ back together because I liked writing them as a married couple. I made equally clear that the decision to unmarry them and, in the same brushstroke, eliminate virtually every story I’d written during those eight years was an editorial mandate, not my choice. I would’ve been happy to continue writing them married until the sun went out. Marvel wanted to unmarry them. That’s your choice, and your right. At no point did I duck out of anything. If you think I did, back it up: what are you referring to?

    I posted numbers. Nothing more or less. If those numbers are correct, and again you do nothing to say otherwise…then your reaction is simply mean-spirited diversion. If those numbers are not correct, provide what you consider to be accurate ones. I am more than happy to have them posted here.

    In the course of this, I received a friendly, measured note from Dan Slott, who is a terrific writer, who asked if I had any problems with the current creative team. I’ll tell you what I told him: I have no problem with them/him whatsoever. Dan is a terrific writer and is doing great work. I happened to come across this chart, and passed it along. Beginning, middle and end of story.

    At NO point did I engage in the kind of attacking, spiteful, mean-spirited characterization you did above. It’s unfortunate that one of Marvel’s editors comports himself in this fashion, but it happens.

    If you choose to continue the conversation, please try to do so in a grown-up fashion, as did Dan Slott. You might find it a refreshing change.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen Wacker
    Starting my weekend off right!

    My mistake…Apparently when you wrote “Just saying’…’” you meant “Just sayin’…the books in good shape and I wish the team well.”

    JMS, I don’t know you beyond a couple of brusque ‘hello’s, so I don’t have a lot of heat wrapped up in this “fight” as you seem to imagine. Certainly no one’s “yelling” or “calling you names” as you suggest. You posted something passive aggressive at best and it deserves a response. (I agree that I’m bad at passive aggressive, so that’s on me. Clarity is my curse.)

    One thing we agree on here is that Dan Slott is a good guy who wants to do well. It was nice he reached out to a guy trying to make the argument the book was tanking. I don’t know that I would have reached out to you privately since A) I hardly know you and B) you posted this publicly.

    At the bottom of it all, though, you’ve posted an absolutely incorrect chart that isn’t based on real numbers and leaves out many individual issues to make its “point”. The sales chart you posted is the fictional fantasy fantasy of a blogger who has a massive, medically enhanced hate for the comic and the people at Marvel. In the past has cracked about wanting to “punch Dan Slott in the face” among many other vile– and sometimes violent– remarks about everyone on the comic.

    (He VIOLENTLY hates you too, for what it’s worth. And you’ve now fanned his flame something fierce.)

    However, in the end, that’s just deranged—though impotent– fan cranking and moaning. More over the top than most, but we’re all used to that and deal with it regularly.

    What’s more important is that, as I clearly said in the last post, his numbers are absolutely wrong, out of date and out of context.

    You seem to somehow read that as me not refuting the numbers. Let me say it plainly then…I refute the numbers. I even REFUDIATE them. I even REFUDIUDIUDIUDIPUDIATE them. (You are better with words than me, so if there’s something stronger, please use it in the previous sentence.) Hope that clears it up.

    Yes, individual sales are on average lower than when you wrote the book. That’s true. You are without a doubt one of the top writers in comics. Once again, I concede that point… so congrats on that. I’ve long said so in the comic and in interviews that we all knew sales were going to go down once a top writer in comics left (especially after such a controversial story like OMD).

    So to come in to show off how sales have gone down after you left seems to be needlessly spiking the football after the other team has set up for the next kickoff. You already won the point.

    (I will happily write JMS IS ONE OF THE TOP WRITERS IN COMICS on a fan at the next convention if you want. It is just that true!)

    BUT…and it’s a big but… we’ve also published over 4 times as many issues of ASM as we would have otherwise in a market that has weakened considerably since you were writing Civil War tie-ins. Amazing Spider-Man is still consistently and safely among the industry’s top sellers.

    Since you’ve left, my writers and artists have managed to create the highest selling single issue in 15 years (which was purposefully left off the chart you’re brandishing) and add over 40 collections to the Spider-Man backlist.

    That’s important information. And it puts those fake sales numbers you’re crowing about in context.

    When the former heavyweight champion writer of a book shows up chiding my book’s sales with a ridiculously unfactual, cartoonish chart it sends a message to everyone that the book is somehow doing worse than when you were on it. You can see some of the responses here for just how well that worked out for you. If you say, you didn’t mean it that way, that’s great.

    However, if trying to show up the current people on the book WASN’T your intention, I can’t imagine what it was. Just sayin’…

    You are correct that I do take it personally when other creators knock the work my team does on any of my books (except Daredevil…swing away there. Those guys are jerks.). I stand by the notion that posting a comic’s sales after you’ve left is a creepy thing to do.

    Just as a mental test, try imagining if I did the obvious thing here and posted…say…current Superman and Wonder Woman sales now that you left the book.

    That would be buttheaded of me. And I try not to be buttheaded.

    I did love your ASM run, though (except the Gwen thing…ewww). Especially loved Doom at the airport and the way you wrote Pete and MJ as a couple. (I also thought it was cool that we used you in Thor. They didn’t use Slott in the Spidey musical…which I believe was a huge mistake!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Waid
    Dick move, Joe. Flat out, a dick move, and you know it. Either your point was to show people how awesome you were, or to show people how things have deteriorated since your absence. There’s no other way to interpret your post. None. Are you really that hard up for approbation and fan love that you can’t rise above that sort of shit? I understand Wacker’s frustration. Maybe he overreacted a bit, in the way good friends DO react when they perceive their friends and employees being attacked by a bitter man with a bottomless ego, but you made the first move, and it was a dick move. And if anyone doubted you were doing it for anything other than informational purposes, adding “Just sayin’” was the snarktacular icing on the cake. No one says “Just sayin’” unless they’re doing exactly the opposite of “Just sayin’>
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Waid
    Half an hour Later, still fuming at JMS’ shitty passive agressiveness. I should go walk it off. Maybe a long walk. A long, dull,pointless, boring walk. Across America.

    That I won’t Finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Waid
    Half an hour Later, still fuming at JMS’ shitty passive agressiveness. I should go walk it off. Maybe a long walk. A long, dull,pointless, boring walk. Across America.

    That I won’t Finish.
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    Seems that according to Matt Idelson, Action Comics won't sync up to present day until issue 14. There's a Q&A at http://www.supermanhomepage.com. It's part of the Inter-Action tab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CagedLeo730 View Post
    Seems that according to Matt Idelson, Action Comics won't sync up to present day until issue 14. There's a Q&A at http://www.supermanhomepage.com. It's part of the Inter-Action tab.

    Wait I thought tithe next arc was in the present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shingi70 View Post
    Wait I thought tithe next arc was in the present.
    Apparently that plan has changed.

    IF there is a plan, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manofsteel1979 View Post
    Apparently that plan has changed.

    IF there is a plan, that is.
    What's everyone talking about? All of the stories in the summer were never meant to be in the present. Superman will be just now meeting Nimrod the hunter in Action 10. We learn in Action #5 that Nimrod (that Superman has already met at this point and we know that he has been at odds with for some time because of his induction into the anti Superman army aka guys who hate Superman cus he beat them) shoots a pellet into Superman of 5 years in the future aka Superman of now. That gives you a bit of a grasp of the time situation.

    I don't care what people say because if Action comics #4 and 5 were not placed where they were we would have soooo many questions. It's there for a reason.

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    Mm-hmm, its never been said anywhere that after the Collector arc that Action would sync to the present. Morrison commented way back when that the title was going to jump in time quite a bit, but that's it. Before that Idleson comment, it was never stated when the title would sync up to the present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    Mm-hmm, its never been said anywhere that after the Collector arc that Action would sync to the present. Morrison commented way back when that the title was going to jump in time quite a bit, but that's it. Before that Idleson comment, it was never stated when the title would sync up to the present.
    I think that the question about synching up to the present was asked to Idelson before on the site. He had given an answer that it would happen around issue 7. Plans do change since at that time the first arc was suppose to be 6 issues.

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    Ahhh, I see. I stand corrected then.

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