Android 18 vs. Power Girl

[Boonciaver]

It's Android 18 vs. Power Girl! Who would win?

[Guy1]

Ends in sex.

But seriously, can I have some PG feats?

[abmccray]

We need Power Girl feats, especially when it comes to speed. 18 is a jump above Freeza, which is right around the time I have them calced at lightspeed-ish reactions. Obviously, shes stronger and a bit more durable too.

[Nik Hasta]

We need Power Girl feats, especially when it comes to speed. 18 is a jump above Freeza, which is right around the time I have them calced at lightspeed-ish reactions. Obviously, shes stronger and a bit more durable too.

I would disagree with Frieza saga being all that near to lightspeed.

I'd say they're at "significant fraction of lightspeed," level commonly associated with Wonder Woman by the end of Freiza Saga myself. Early Buu Saga/Late Cell Saga is where I'll give credence to the notion of lightspeed stuff personally.

Power Girl is pretty standard kryptonian in stats. She's effortlessly punched people across cities while playing around, across mountains when slightly narked, has thrown down with Wonder Woman and done all right, thrown down with Black Adam and done all right, punked an Evil Mary Marvel something fierce, outright beaten a mindcontrolled Superman in a fistfight at one point, on one occasion managed to make Despero actually feel her hits a bit even if it didn't hurt him much of at all.

Speedwise... got her dodging Diana's attempt to lasso her, catching magical bullets and throwing them back with bullet force despite already being hit by two of them in her shoulder, your standard flying to other countries in seconds and into space as well. She's used it offensively in combat as well, she was once punching a robot dude and for every one hit he saw, she hit him ten times.

All that said, I'm not a Power Girl buff myself, just read a fair of stuff where she guest stars.

So... yeah. I'm not sure she can beat Android 18 unless she can close distance and go to town on her with her mad strength advantage. 18 just has to fly away and keep energy spamming until she falls down.

So... toss a coin really. I'd personally back 18 but not with any real conviction.

[Surtur]

Yeah, I'm not liking PG's chances, she doesn't exactly have feats on par with the better Kryptonians..or at least not a huge amount.

[Nik Hasta]

Yeah, I'm not liking PG's chances, she doesn't exactly have feats on par with the better Kryptonians..or at least not a huge amount.

Mostly she's considered a fair bit stronger than the average Kryptonian woman.

Strong enough to give Superman a hard time and capable of making him work but most of those feats are derived from her fighting him or taking him on in feats of strength rather than actually lifting shit.

I mean, she's got nothing that compares to Superman dragging the planet or moving the gears of Maggeddon in a straight up feats to my knowledge.

[Sharpandpointies]

Regarding her fight with Wonder Woman, she showed herself fully capable of dealing with Diana's speed (while using superspeed herself), and punched Diana to Canada.

I found it amusing that Diana ended up in a rocky, mountainous region covered in evergreens rather than, say, the prairies or Toronto. ^_^

[abmccray]

I would disagree with Frieza saga being all that near to lightspeed.

I'd say they're at "significant fraction of lightspeed," level commonly associated with Wonder Woman by the end of Freiza Saga myself. Early Buu Saga/Late Cell Saga is where I'll give credence to the notion of lightspeed stuff personally.

I get there because if you go by their known speeds, ie. being around Mach 5 through 10 to disappear from sight from the audience at that distance, or Tao Pai Pai tossing the pillar and then catching up to it, which would be around Mach 15 or greater or so, and multiply it by a low end 4 or something, every time someone subsequently gets fast enough to WTF-disappear-speedblitz someone (the lowest multiplier you can use for the eye to not be able to track something at a 10 foot range), you get to near-light right at the Freeza saga. That's ignoring dodging/reacting to close range all out blasts and such.

You'd either have to ignore half of the speed jumps they made, or minimize the jump to, say "they only got twice as fast as the other person," even though that's not fast enough to completely disappear from someone's sight to get there around the Buu saga. Freeza saga is really the latest you can get there, at the lowest end possible, which matches up to the basic presentation as well (given how you see Freeza's finger beam working, for instance).

18 is kind of lacking feats herself. However, since the SSJs of that era are 2 steps above the ones that effortlessly own Freeza (including speedblitzing him), and she's above them, she has to be spotted at at least their level.

[Nik Hasta]

Regarding her fight with Wonder Woman, she showed herself fully capable of dealing with Diana's speed (while using superspeed herself), and punched Diana to Canada.

I found it amusing that Diana ended up in a rocky, mountainous region covered in evergreens rather than, say, the prairies or Toronto. ^_^

THERE ARE ONLY MOUNTAINS IN CANADA.

NOTHING BUT MOUNTAINS.

I get there because if you go by their known speeds, ie. being around Mach 5 through 10 to disappear from sight from the audience at that distance, or Tao Pai Pai tossing the pillar and then catching up to it, which would be around Mach 15 or greater or so, and multiply it by a low end 4 or something, every time someone subsequently gets fast enough to WTF-disappear-speedblitz someone (the lowest multiplier you can use for the eye to not be able to track something at a 10 foot range), you get to near-light right at the Freeza saga. That's ignoring dodging/reacting to close range all out blasts and such.

You'd either have to ignore half of the speed jumps they made, or minimize the jump to, say "they only got twice as fast as the other person," even though that's not fast enough to completely disappear from someone's sight to get there around the Buu saga. Freeza saga is really the latest you can get there, at the lowest end possible, which matches up to the basic presentation as well (given how you see Freeza's finger beam working, for instance).

Eh, I don't find the presentation in the series convincing myself. Not going to fight too hard on it because 18 has better speed feats than Peej. But I'm not super convinced.

18 is kind of lacking feats herself. However, since the SSJs of that era are 2 steps above the ones that effortlessly own Freeza (including speedblitzing him), and she's above them, she has to be spotted at at least their level.

I got no problem with that.

[Slade]

Regarding her fight with Wonder Woman, she showed herself fully capable of dealing with Diana's speed (while using superspeed herself), and punched Diana to Canada.

I found it amusing that Diana ended up in a rocky, mountainous region covered in evergreens rather than, say, the prairies or Toronto. ^_^

I don't know if you're joking or not but I'm from Toronto and there are no prairies here. Or mountains for that matter.

[The Drunkard Kid]

I don't know if you're joking or not but I'm from Toronto and there are no prairies here. Or mountains for that matter.

Fine, volcanoes, whatever.

You Canadians and your fire mountains.

[Captain Morgan]

Outside of at least matching if not quite blitzing Wonder Woman when the two were both actively pouring on the speed, she has also traced signals across the planet in between words of a sentence. She's plenty quick.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Power Girl all day every day, there is no reason to believe any energy attack less than a well i don't want to speculate destruction beam from 18 will even singe PG's hair. While PG has withstood a miniature Black Hole gravitational force on her chest. (Details may be a little foggy, it was during her solo series with Satana.) Shes has been mentioned by Jay Garric as one of the fastest people on the planet along side himself, Hal, Wally, and at least one other leaguer during the Lightning Saga. While neither 18 or PG have that many strength feats outside of punching strong people, but in that department PG knocking Wonder Woman from somewhere in the US to Canada is one of those feats that just makes you smile when you know your one of her fans. Her solo series wasn't huge on new feats of awesome as it was pure crazy fun, one fun feat of speed was her going into her apartments hallway to catch a kid who photographed her changing identities, naked... she prompted ran back into the house while the kid was making his get away managed to change her clothes go out the window and catch the kid before he cut the corner.

im trying to remember if she helped hold up the island of manhattan or did Terra do that all on her own, im thinking it was the later..

[Kage Kisaragi]

Yeah, I'm not liking PG's chances, she doesn't exactly have feats on par with the better Kryptonians..or at least not a huge amount.

She doesn't need to have feats on par with the other kryptonians she needs to have feats better than 18, and since 18 is hardly a central character who after her part in the Cell Saga is largely forgotten, it isn't really all that hard to compare her to PG on those terms.

Speed wise 18 doesn't have globe trotting superspeed feats, most flight done in DBZ save for one or two showings is done at a relatively fast but not Super Fast pace, Pan and Gotenks are the only two people who've said or shown that they could traverse the entire planet relatively quickly, though in Pan's case it was a matter of endurance rather than speed as we don't know how long it took her, but she said she did it a few times.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Power Girl all day every day, there is no reason to believe any energy attack less than a planetary destruction beam from 18 will even singe PG's hair. While PG has withstood a miniature Black Hole on her chest. (Details may be a little fog, it was during her solo series with Satana.) Shes has been mentioned by Jay Garric as one of the fastest people on the planet along side himself, Hal, Wally, and at least one other leaguer during the Lightning Saga. While neither 18 or PG have that many strength feats outside of punching strong people, but in that department PG knocking Wonder Woman from somewhere in the US to Canada is one of those feats that just makes you smile when you know your one of her fans.

1) Considering that even Superman was KO'd by being hit with moonbusting force (when he slammed into the Shadow Moon hard enough to shatter it, as opposed to just being on a moon that exploded which would only end up with him being hit by an infintesimal fraction of the total force and didn't really bother him), I'm thinking that PG doesn't have feats anywhere near high enough to only get singed by a planet busters energy blasts. And since #18 was way beyond the Trunks that overwhelmed the casual planet buster Frieza, she almost certainly can pull out that level of power, even if her knowledge of the Kienzan didn't give her another option. And to head off certain arguments at the pass, putting planet busting+ levels of power into attacks and keeping the blast radius to a low level is both implicitly and explicitly shown to be a standard power in Dragonball Z, shown repeatedly throughout the series.

2) As for having a black hole open up in her chest, unless she's more durable than a star, it probably goes under "Comic Book Writers Don't Know What Black Holes Are," like the time Batman got spaghettified from the gravity leaking out of a pinhole black hole, but once it was sealed he was back to normal instead of a twisted corpse.

3) Tao Pai Pai, a spindly insect compared to Piccolo Jr, was capable of casually throwing stone pillars with pin point accuracy over a thousand miles. Form Four Frieza, while only using a tiny fraction of his power, casually smacked Goku to the bottom of the ocean and was completely unharmed by Goku kicking him hard enough to decimate two islands, or being tossed hard enough to cause mountains/hills to explode. A full out and allegedly amped Frieza was casually shredded by Trunks, who subsequently ended up causing a chunk of the sword he used to do that feat to outright shatter when he tried to slash #18 bare forearm. While high Kryptonians (well, Clark at least) definitely have feats more impressive than most of the DBZ stuff, people a lot weaker than #18 were at least low level class 100s, so she's probably not going to go down with one shot, though the main problem would be her insanely more powerful than anything PG is capable of dishing out or taking energy blasts.