Thor vs Black Bolt

[The Drunkard Kid]

Yeah, that's the thing, a stun wouldn't do it. I'm not sure if Bolt can keep his head attached here, but even a knock out might lead to a grunt.

Didn't Black Bolt train himself to the point where he wouldn't make any reflexive noises in situations like that?

[Holacik]

Didn't Black Bolt train himself to the point where he wouldn't make any reflexive noises in situations like that?

I've seen scans of him getting tortured and he didn't make a sound.

Dumb question, would being behind BB protect Thor any?

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

No more hammer.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

I've seen scans of him getting tortured and he didn't make a sound.

Yeah, he will not subconsciously make a sound.

Dumb question, would being behind BB protect Thor any?

Well, if it does not, he may very well just make a draw here...

[big_adventure]

No more hammer.

Mjolnir has survived FAR worse. Also, this hasn't been mentioned, but Mjolnir might well be able to absorb the scream. BB's voice isn't "loud" per se, it's just linked to his electron manipulation. Mjolnir has absorbed far weirder energies than that...

[Captain Morgan]

Mjolnir has survived FAR worse. Also, this hasn't been mentioned, but Mjolnir might well be able to absorb the scream. BB's voice isn't "loud" per se, it's just linked to his electron manipulation. Mjolnir has absorbed far weirder energies than that...

I don't really like his odds on that though. Or rather, I don't buy him doing it in combat. Setting up an energy vortex as he often uses for his more massive absorption featsand whatnot tends to take more time than Bolt uttering a sentence, and if Thor had to put all his focus on absorbing the scream, it would leave him open to further attacks from Black Bolt.

[Crawford]

Thor's dimension dump takes longer to set-up than it takes for Black Bolt to talk anyway.

Not really all he has to do is point mjolnir and so far no one has ponied any feats for BB to suggest he can scream before this happens.

Seeing as the OP has hamstrung Thor he will need to KO BB in one shot, or close the gap and grab his jaw, then get into a grapple and try for a godblast.

[PatchMadripoor]

Black Bolt took a hit on the head with Mjolnir during an Avengers/Inhumans miscommunication, which dented the antenna on his brow, and drove him madder than Maximus. It was only with the combined efforts of the Inhumans, the FF and the Avengers that they were heal Black Bolt.

But yeah, Black Bolt was able to take the blow without his head coming off.

[Crawford]

Black Bolt took a hit on the head with Mjolnir during an Avengers/Inhumans miscommunication, which dented the antenna on his brow, and drove him madder than Maximus. It was only with the combined efforts of the Inhumans, the FF and the Avengers that they were heal Black Bolt.

But yeah, Black Bolt was able to take the blow without his head coming off.

Taking a non bloodlusted hammer shot..... is not the same thing as taking a bloodlusted hammer toss.

[big_adventure]

Taking a non bloodlusted hammer shot..... is not the same thing as taking a bloodlusted hammer toss.

This, for truth!

Grey Gargoyle has "taken" hammer strikes before. Does anyone pretend that he lasts more than 1/100th of a second in a Rumble? Of course not - he'd be reduced to powder.

[HulkSmash666]

Not really all he has to do is point mjolnir and so far no one has ponied any feats for BB to suggest he can scream before this happens.

Seeing as the OP has hamstrung Thor he will need to KO BB in one shot, or close the gap and grab his jaw, then get into a grapple and try for a godblast.

Hamstrung? Or simply removed an option for Thor that makes this fight NOT a fight at all? And as it turns out, Thor wouldn't have the time to perform this trick anyway, as it takes him a few moments to open a portal, and in that time Black Bolt literally has dozens of ways to attack Thor.

As for Black Bolt's speed? Being Inhuman, he's already starting at Class 1 in terms of physical stats (thats just the basic stats for an average Inhuman), and BB is anything BUT a basic Inhuman. He's usually operating at about Class 60ish, and thats BEFORE he harnessess his electrons and boosts his stats. IIRC, a fully amped Black Bolt is in the Namor/Thing strength bracket, but not only is his strength increased, but his stats are boosted across the board. He becomes faster and more durable too. He's fast enough to catch missiles out the air with his barehands, so I don't know if this technically makes him a bullet-timer, but its definitely a superhuman feat of speed to be catching missiles out of the air.

[Will M]

As for Black Bolt's speed? Being Inhuman, he's already starting at Class 1 in terms of physical stats (thats just the basic stats for an average Inhuman), and BB is anything BUT a basic Inhuman. He's usually operating at about Class 60ish, and thats BEFORE he harnessess his electrons and boosts his stats. IIRC, a fully amped Black Bolt is in the Namor/Thing strength bracket, but not only is his strength increased, but his stats are boosted across the board. He becomes faster and more durable too. He's fast enough to catch missiles out the air with his barehands, so I don't know if this technically makes him a bullet-timer, but its definitely a superhuman feat of speed to be catching missiles out of the air.

So, this is an interesting thing. So Black Bolt has to boost his stats, including his durability, with his powers?

Well, he's not going to get the time to boost his stats before Thor unleashes a hammer at his head. This seems akin to Magneto (or various others) not having time to have their shields up. I'd really like to see some feats of Black Bolt sans stat boost taking some class 100 hits.

[big_adventure]

So, this is an interesting thing. So Black Bolt has to boost his stats, including his durability, with his powers?

Well, he's not going to get the time to boost his stats before Thor unleashes a hammer at his head. This seems akin to Magneto (or various others) not having time to have their shields up. I'd really like to see some feats of Black Bolt sans stat boost taking some class 100 hits.

To be entirely fair, he has taken some huge hits and kept ticking.

But -

He doesn't scream/talk/grumble/sigh/exclaim in any way involuntarily. He has, as mentioned, trained to never do this.

He doesn't really need to "boost" stats on-panel to make himself buff 'n tough - he's always strong, durable and fast-ish. The "master blow" is an obvious exception - that's a specific attack where he focuses his abilities into one high-end class 100 blow. For durability, I'm trying to remember precisely, but I think he's taken hits from all of Hercules, Thor, Namor, Thing, Ronan, Gladiator and others without getting splatted (though often visibly staggered/hurt) and without being shown to specifically amp himself. But he's also not taken anything as hard as Thor's best shot at Thor's best speed that I recall.

I dunno - I mean, BB has the planet-buster screech that should do the job on Thor IF he gets a chance to use it and IF it doesn't get absorbed. But I don't know that's the likely occurence here. I'd love to see BB showing enough speed to stop a blitz, I'm just not sure that I ever have.

[Beadle]

What on Earth (or Attilan, or Hala, or Asgard, or whatever) is Class 1, except in relation to strength?!

I could just about accept it in terms of durability (i.e. Class 100 durability can take Class 100 hits the way that a normal human takes normal human hits), but for anything else it's meaningless.

But in any case, Black Bolt is, at baseline, somewhere around the Class 50 to Class 75 stage in terms of strength, and probably higher for durability. Maybe he can boost further... I really don't know. But he's not starting out at Hank McCoy or Paladin strength levels. That's just ridiculous.

When it comes to his speed, I don't know what feats he has to back up his status, but I'm pretty sure he's at least mildly superhuman in reaction terms.

[Nik Hasta]

A good indication of Black Bolt's durability was when he fought Gladiator at Ronan and Crystal's wedding.

Gladiator wasn't going 100%, or anything near, but he did blindside him while a member of the Imperial Guard who could temporarily block his powers block his powers and caused some kind of sonic feedback or something. Gladiator hit him so hard that he split the giant glacier they were fight on in half with the force of his hits. Black Bolt was temporarily K.O'd but was up after a matter of seconds thereafter and wasn't actually hurt all that badly. Mostly a bloody nose.

So... totally unamped and unable to defend himself due to his powers being messed with Black Bolt can take force that sunders gigantic glaciers in twain and still be pretty much unhurt.