Its more like DC gets to pitch their version of the characters and there is a sort of trial period where if dc is successful, they get a renogotiated contract.
On topic- I would just put cass in book where she is bat representative in china, call her mist, and steph and misfit are her supporting characters.
off topic- Both cass and steph could work in YJ but you would have to introduce them out of costume first ala how Bobs and bette were introduced.
We have a 3 year window for everything that happened pretty much from 1989-2011, the time Babs was not Batgirl. That means Cass could have been Batgirl for I want to say two years, debuting as Batgirl the same time as Tim whose origin I'd retcon to be alongside Cass as a new Robin both debuting in a less severe No Man's Land. She never had her evil period and was Batgirl up to when Bruce died.
It's REALLY easy to then retcon Stephanie's tenure as Batgirl by gutting Babs from her tenure and instead she was under Dick's tutelege alongside Damian for the little under a year or so trying to keep Gotham together while he was Batman, after Bruce "died", Tim stormed off as Red Robin, Babs went to Africa for surgery and rehab and Cassandra graduated Batgirl and became Blackbat under a message from Bruce to go to Hong Kong to take down a cartel or the like thus serving as the first preliminary foreign Batman. That way Cass pretty much founded Batman Inc before Bruce got back. Steph could be Batgirl but perhaps not as competent or high-profile as she was in her book, to just keep it canon and prove she grew.
Bruce gets back and Stephanie goes back to Spoiler and her and Black Bat are sent on a mission somewhere. Babs returns and returns to her Batgirl mantle. Everyone comes off looking good and all fans are happy.
I feel Steph's time as Batgirl has been erased and whenever she's reintroduced she'll STILL be the rookie. They can't possibly have her be better than the still obnoxiously green NuBabs.
She is a great character. After Spoiler became Batgirl it is clear that people at DC don't want Cass to be Batgirl. There is still room for the character in the DCnU. She doesn't have to be Batgirl... she can be Blackbat with her own series and I would be happy.
I was wondering if you guys would trade Bat wing for Black Bat? Like if we could only have one ongoing who would you pick?
Honestly I think somewhere down the line when Damian is able to, they might have that Dustin Nguyen Gotham City Boys and Girls Club concept which really could be a great place to bring back both Steph and Cass and other Bat-characters that don't really "fit" in elsewhere if Cass and Steph don't have their own miniseries or series. Gail Simone said Steph while she is benched and won't be around IS attached to a project somewhere down in the cache of new books they want to do, they just haven't gotten to it yet. I honestly believe her on that. I may not be happy with Gail but I do believe they have something lined up.
It's really a no-brainer to stick the two girls together. They're really one of the best partnerships and friendships between two characters let alone FEMALE characters in comics. I just wish DC would realize the massive potential of sales between the two of them. They could easily match Barbara's book's sales (not her initial sales but current sales sure)
A copyright is expected to last for a fixed length of time -- no matter how much or how little the owner actually does with that material after it becomes his copyrighted intellectual property!
For instance, the way the rules work in the USA today: if I had written a novel, and if it was scheduled to start being sold in stores tomorrow morning, then that copyright would be good for a long, long time -- even if that novel went out of print after a month and was never heard from again, and even if I never wrote any sequels about its characters, either! Only after the legal time limit was up would that story (and its distinctive characters) pass into the "public domain."
Trademarks are different! For them, the rule seems to boil down to "use it or lose it!" -- which is basically what you were suggesting might happen to Donna Troy if she ever disappeared from the public eye for several years at a stretch.
As an example from the real world: The first several books about "Tarzan of the Apes" are in the public domain. You can download copies for free from Project Gutenberg, for instance.
But Tarzan was created by Edgar Rice Burroughs, and he established a trademark on the character. Today (62 years after Burroughs died), the creator's descendants still control that trademark. That means that if anyone wants to advertise a new TV show or movie as being "all about TARZAN!" -- then they need to get permission from the heirs first, or else they can land in hot water for trying to use someone else's trademark to advertise their own products without the trademark owner's permission.
But, in theory, if several years went by (I'm not sure how many) without any official use of the Tarzan trademark on new merchandise, then the trademark could be ruled to have lapsed from lack of use.
So it's possible that DC wants to make sure a Donna Troy/Wonder Girl trademark stays valid, but simply not using her for 10 or 20 years would not affect her copyright status in any way!
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The thing with Cassandra Cain is that like the Barry/Wally thing once they got over whatever hurdle they needed to bring Barbara back as Batgirl, it's very unlikely that they'll look back at the legacy angle again.
I wouldn't expect Cassandra or Stephanie to don any bat suits unless it's Batman Inc. related and with Batwoman around adding more Batgirl's is going to be as bad as the Robin thing. My experiences with Cassandra are a bit with No Mans Land and mostly her involvement in the Justice League Elite as Kasumi which was a great setting for her since she worked with Batman undercover so she had a tie to the Batman family but she was still able to contrast her character with the rest. She seen in the purple and red here btw:
I think the farther you get her away from the Batman legacy stuff the better chances she has of not being marginalized but I wouldn't cut all of her ties to them since I think the history between her and the Bat family is worth being retained. I suppose another good role for her would be as a supporting member of Barbara's network similar to how Barbara was part of the Birds of Prey but we'll see if Gail tries to attempt that.