There is no God in the Marvel Universe?

[Comicmofo]

I was discussing this another member in another thread and I thought it would be an interesting topic

In the Dark Reign tie in "The List", Noh Varr explains that the Kree have a mathematical formula that disproves any Deity (or God/s)

I find this very confusing and even contradictory to many things

I know Thor and asguardians are "alien races" that call themselves gods, but what about characters going to hell or heaven, religious characters and even 'The One Above All'?

I am sure there are many more contradictions but these are the quickest I could think of

[chariset]

There is.

There's the One Above All, who is either God in the sense of supreme omnipotent being or a metaphor for the writer.

There's also a sense that All Myths Are True, so the Christian God exists, as does Jehovah (the two may or may not be the same as the One Above All), plus the deities of many other religions, some of them as principalities or demigods. At least one Heaven exists, and at least one Hell.

[satchmo the dragon]

There is.

There's the One Above All, who is either God in the sense of supreme omnipotent being or a metaphor for the writer.

There's also a sense that All Myths Are True, so the Christian God exists, as does Jehovah (the two may or may not be the same as the One Above All), plus the deities of many other religions, some of them as principalities or demigods. At least one Heaven exists, and at least one Hell.

The one above all is just another super powerful alien.

[Comicmofo]

The one above all is just another super powerful alien.

And how can you prove this?

Do you have any kind of Official source that says he is an alien and not a deity?

[seekquaze]

And how can you prove this?

Do you have any kind of Official source that says he is an alien and not a deity?

God is a term with religious connotations. In the case of the TOWIAA is in a sense an alien because it is alien to creation. It comes from outside and did not originate there.

TOAA meets all of the technical definitions of a monotheistic god (who appears to be different from the Judeo-Christain one) but even if you can proof beyond the shadow of a doubt it does exist to someone like Hank Pym they may still not consider it God since they do not consider it worthy of worship.

[Comicmofo]

God is a term with religious connotations. In the case of the TOWIAA is in a sense an alien because it is alien to creation. It comes from outside and did not originate there.

TOAA meets all of the technical definitions of a monotheistic god (who appears to be different from the Judeo-Christain one) but even if you can proof beyond the shadow of a doubt it does exist to someone like Hank Pym they may still not consider it God since they do not consider it worthy of worship.

What do you mean?

[Nissus]

And how can you prove this?

Do you have any kind of Official source that says he is an alien and not a deity?

Well, there's one celestial named One Above All. Is their leader.

[Joe Acro]

Well, there's one celestial named One Above All. Is their leader.

He's been identified as a separate entity.

[Comicmofo]

Well, there's one celestial named One Above All. Is their leader.

But how do you know he is an alien? Not a deity ?

[davidn15]

The one above all is just another super powerful alien.

Just one that is omnipotent and created the multiverse.

Now you don't have to refer to him as a god, but he certainly fits the role of a god.

[The Black Guardian]

Just one that is omnipotent and created the multiverse.

Now you don't have to refer to him as a god, but he certainly fits the role of a god.

There is no actual proof that it did this. Just some other alien's word, which is not all that reliable.

[Cryptid]

This just sounds like the science-fictional version of a familiar problem, which is that secular cosmologies and theistic cosmologies can spin their wheels endlessly on proof after proof that god does/doesn't exist without producing an argument that the other side will recognize, since the difference lies in basic assumptions and not their application. It even happens to aliens.

One assumes that the folks at Marvel are reluctant to grant an official continuity status, yes or no, to gods that people still actually believe in, both because it would alienate a fair number of readers, either way, and because it would impose a worldview that would limit the creative range of their titles.

[Ian Pressman]

The problem with the concept of a supreme being is the proven existence of a multiverse. How can there be one specific source of everything when you're just one dimensional portal away from a universe where everything you know never occurred? The Nazis won? The Dark Phoenix destroyed the Universe? Punisher became Venom? Hrrr.

[Comicmofo]

The problem with the concept of a supreme being is the proven existence of a multiverse. How can there be one specific source of everything when you're just one dimensional portal away from a universe where everything you know never occurred? The Nazis won? The Dark Phoenix destroyed the Universe? Punisher became Venom? Hrrr.

Well I guess this being would be un effected by the multiverse

But yet again were talking about 616 the official canon

[Trallis]

Whatever God you believe in in this universe is just as rational in the Marvel Universe. No scientific or mathematical formula could ever disprove a supernatural being, because supernatural beings are by nature supernatural, and therefore their existence or non existence occurs outside the laws of science.

Beings like Asgardians who are considered Gods are considered Gods only by lesser beings. What makes Thor a God to us is that he has all of the qualities that were once associated with the Norse God of Thunder of the same name. On Asgard, if Thor is considered a God it's because Asgardians have a different defenition for the word "God". To us it I think it means a supernatural all powerful being. Thor and the other Asgardians are subject to physical laws, and therefore aren't supernatural. I don't know much about Thor in the comics but he explained it well enough in the movie when he said that he comes from a place where science and magic are "one in the same". What he means is that science has advanced in his world to a point that we would consider magical, the way a caveman would have thought a light bulb was magical.

The presence of amazingly powered beings who have abilities that we have often considered god-like doesn't cancel out the possibility of an actual God. A God can do things that aren't physically possible, like destroy matter or jump over a wall so high he can't jump over it.

Some people in the Marvel universe have religion, and some don't. Just like our Universe. So I say whatever religion you are that's the one that exists in comic books. When I was a slightly more naive reader I read Daredevil: Guardian Devil. After a few issues I thought the events of the story were gonna confirm God's existence in the Marvel universe. Just in case you haven't read that series I won't say what was actually going on, but I felt stupid.

If you want a Universe where the question of God's existence has been answered, read "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". The existence of the Babel Fish is so incredibly unlikely that it proves the existence of God... and God said he didn't need to prove his existence because "proof denies faith and without faith I am nothing." Therefore the existence of a species that proves the existence of God denies faith and therefore God ceases to exist.

P.S. I'm not religious myself but I choose to believe in God in the comic book world just for fun.