Chronophilia in anime,manga,Jgames and Jpop in general

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Something that really bothers me about Jpop culture when it comes to manga,anime and games even more then occasional cultural and belief insensitivity along with lack of political correctness is the paedophiliac, hebephilia and ephebophilia (preference for pubescent and post-pubescent kids) overtones that pop up sometimes whether it's in schoolgirl uniforms or innuendo filled moe.

I mean I think a large part of this has to do with the "kawaii" aesthetic which is a big thing in Japan and how kids are marketing demographic of some of shows and how kids are excellent to convey an idea of initial innocence that will undoubtly change but DANG!.How the heck do you justify something like an innuendo filled Lolita moe?.

It like has the same gravity/implications as sexualized clothing for little girls.It's like all there doing is peddling the Kawaii thing into pretty questionable territory when they do stuff like that.I know that in some countries (like the Phillipines,Canada and I think the .U.S.) that stuff is illegal on child pornography related charges.To be honest with the risk of running into that kind of stuff is the reason why I'm not interested in exploring moe stuff esp.apparently super popular ones like Azumanga Daioh, Haruhi and Lucky star.It's esp.uncomfortable to see preteen and teen girls shown that way esp.since I recently grew out of my teen years.Ugh,I'm not sure I would grown to like that stuff even if I was a preteen again!.I mean no offense to you if your into moe girl filled anime/manga.I hope it doesn't sound like I'm bashing it but I'm just saying my opinion on why I particulary don't like that particular chunk of Jpop.

One a less relevant note it also bothers me when there's like an implied thing going on between a girl and a much older guy.Off the top of my head an examples that comes to mind are Kenshiro and Lin in "Fist of the North star".Ack man!,I cant help but think of historical instances and countries in contemporary times where out of some distorted cultural practise little girls are married off to guys who are like way older when I see stuff like that.I know for one thing that after the Kaoru Kobayashi and Tsutomu Miyazaki trials anime censorship increased with regards stuff like this but is there anyway this stuff could ever distance itself from this negativity?.Note:still like Jpop but I wish that for the respect and benefit of everyone including itself it'd change this.

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[MorphyVSFischer]

There was not an implied thing between kenshiro and lin in fist the North star. She had a crush on him but it was completely one sided, not to mention the fact she got over it

[Siriel]

The "Enter" key exists for a reason.

[Nik Hasta]

There was not an implied thing between kenshiro and lin in fist the North star. She had a crush on him but it was completely one sided, not to mention the fact she got over it

They even had storyline where Bat mindwiped both Lin and Kenshiro in a bid to get them to hook up after Yuria died but even then Kenshiro wasn't interested and Lin got over it.

Also implying that Azumanga Daioh is exploitative = Blatantly never read it and OP doesn't actually know what he's talking about.

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Also implying that Azumanga Daioh is exploitative = Blatantly never read it and OP doesn't actually know what he's talking about.

I'll admit that's the case but I've heard stuff about how one the one the male teachers has a thing for high school for high school girl and that's why he picked the job and something about one of the girl students having a crush on her female teacher.I'm a tad too creeped out by the thought of exploitative stuff to try it out comfortably esp.since moe already seems kinda girly-ish to me most of the time.Yet,tell assuming you've read it tell me honestly it's not a even a bit exploitative you think or it's just more like raunchy animated humour (which I can stomach to some degree)?.It might open up to that stuff a bit more in that case.

[Ghost]

Fun fact: Pretty much everything mentioned in the OP can be found in abundance both in my favourite manga and one of my all-time favourite animes.

So, yeah. ^^;

.How the heck do you justify something like an innuendo filled Lolita moe?.

With a sense of humour, mostly.

One a less relevant note it also bothers me when there's like an implied thing going on between a girl and a much older guy. Off the top of my head an examples that comes to mind are Kenshiro and Lin in "Fist of the North star".Ack man!,I cant help but think of historical instances and countries in contemporary times where out of some distorted cultural practise little girls are married off to guys who are like way older when I see stuff like that.

Eh. I think there is a distinct differance between young girls developing crushes for older men, and young girls actually being married off to older men against their will.

The Japanese seem to regard the former as something cute and romantic - something girls just tend to do naturally.

I'll admit that's the case but I've heard stuff about how one the one the male teachers has a thing for high school for high school girl and that's why he picked the job

That's basically the whole joke, though: The man is supposed to be creepy, albeit in an distinctly absurd kind of way.

It's sort of a reverse parody on the whole "schoolgirls fall for their teachers" thing.

and something about one of the girl students having a crush on her female teacher.

Classmate, actually.

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I'll admit that's the case but I've heard stuff about how one the one the male teachers has a thing for high school for high school girl and that's why he picked the job and something about one of the girl students having a crush on her female teacher.I'm a tad too creeped out by the thought of exploitative stuff to try it out comfortably esp.since moe already seems kinda girly-ish to me most of the time.Yet,tell assuming you've read it tell me honestly it's not a even a bit exploitative you think or it's just more like raunchy animated humour (which I can stomach to some degree)?.It might open up to that stuff a bit more in that case.

As Ghost has said, no girls have a crush on their female teacher.

Kimura is a strange man but he's also happily married with a child of his own, donates regularly and generously to charity and is paradoxically a very good man despite his strange and absurd mannerisms. It's a gag manga it's one of the jokes. Granted it's a slightly more Japanese jokes than some of the others but it's one joke that only features every so often. It is not a focus of the story nor is it a central theme to the book.

Azumanga Daioh is not exploitative. It's a series of short gag strips with an overarching plot. It's kind-hearted, uplifting, extremely funny and has maybe... three instances of people being in swimsuits in anything resembling a provocative pose. It's not raunchy at all. There is no sexual content of any sort. It is mostly a slice-of-life story about a group of high school girls and the odd conversations they have. That's it.

I mean to get into your point a little; Japan does have a much more open culture about the sexualisation of young people and really odd approaches to censoring laws and what is considered inappropriate for young children. I'm not denying that and nor am I specifically advocating it. But, it is a different culture and a lot of it is completely innocent because that's just how Japanese fictional tropes work. If you're concerned that this sort of thing isn't the sort of thing you want to read, get out of the fandom and go read something else.


Heck, you don't have to go as far as Japan to see cultural differences in sexual politics. I'm from the UK, over here the age of consent is 16. In America is pretty much universally 18. Those two years make a big difference in the terms of perceptions of what a 16 can be considered capable of doing. Japan is much further removed from the US than the UK is and it is a very different culture.

Furthermore, I don't know much of anything about Lucky Star or Haruhi but I do know that the cast of the latter are meant to be 16 - 17 so I have no real objection to them being presented as sexually mature or even sexually active because that's just kind of the norm for my country. Sure, there's exploitative T&A of them but that happens in Western Comics just as much.

This kind of lost it's track due to me rambling.

Also, complaining about Fist of the North Star for the Kenshiro/Lin thing is still completely ridiculous and, again, highlights that you haven't actually read it.

In short, you're complaining about a lot of things you know nothing about. Not exactly a strong position to argue from, even with something as seemingly black and white like the sexualisation of underage teens and pre-teens.

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Furthermore, I don't know much of anything about Lucky Star or Haruhi but I do know that the cast of the latter are meant to be 16 - 17 so I have no real objection to them being presented as sexually mature or even sexually active because that's just kind of the norm for my country. Sure, there's exploitative T&A of them but that happens in Western Comics just as much.

Well, I can get some of the accusations levelled against moe series for catering to that sort of demographic "legitimately" through age stuff.
Like, you take a girl that's 16-17 (so legal in many countries) and draw her like a 13-year-old and call it a "cute artstyle" and "she's petite" which is valid (I know a woman who is 33 and could pass for 15 if she wanted to).
Then you have Yoko from Gurren Lagann who is allegedly 14, but no one is going to fault you for lusting after her.

One has to be cautious when bringing up that subject. Because the fact that yeah, some people might be twisting these works to perverted ends, especially when making fanart and the like, that doesn't necessarily reflect an intent on the part of the author. Many of those series with kawaii moe girls have no sexuality whatsoever.

Of course, some do, but those seem to be more obscure ones.

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In short, you're complaining about a lot of things you know nothing about. Not exactly a strong position to argue from, even with something as seemingly black and white like the sexualisation of underage teens and pre-teens.

Thank you all good ppl and you good person for replying.I read your postings and it makes me reevalutate and think that "yeah,what I said has a grain of truth in it but I'm being so overly paranoid to this I'm mostly talking about stuff I dont know and it's limiting all the cool stuff I could be enjoying".Ah,what a place to learn a lesson eh?.