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IMO, DC's long-term movie plans are doomed to failure. Anything less than a series of solo vehicles building towards a Justice League movie would be regarded as a failure, and you can't have a Justice League movie without a successful Green Lantern movie first, so...
Their best bet is to pray that Man Of Steel is a success, then do a Wonder Woman, a Flash, and then by that point it should be okay to reboot Green Lantern and Batman, and then finally do a JL movie around 2020. By which point everyone will be sick of superhero movies. Again.
So, yeah, good luck with that.
"Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day."
Thing is, while the Silver Age Hawkman mythos are cooler, the Golden Age character Carter Hall is the more popular and recognizable version of the character himself. So in my treatment, I decided to merge the Thangarian mythos (and a Silver Age villain, Shadow Thief) with Carter Hall and his Ancient Egyptian origin.
I would think Ocean Master would work better. If there is something we learned with Green Lantern is the hero must have a conection to the villian, a personal conection, to give the story more deep. In the case of GL, the main conflict must have to be with Hector than the Fear Bug. To give Aquaman a conection with Black Manta, you will have to explain a lot more. But if you go with Ocean Master, there you have their brother, who could hate him ornot, maybe he just think his brother is wrong trusting the surface dwellers and then he must take the throne for the (Atlantis') greatest good, but still loving his brother. You know, the kind of thing you see in shows like games of thrones.
Part Kryptonian, Part Asgardian, all Genius.
Actually, my conception of an Aquaman movie would be kinda like that. In my version, Orin is found abandoned by light-house owner Arthur Curry and is raised by him as 'Arthur Curry Jr.' As he grows up, Arthur discovers his aquatic abilities, including his ability to breathe underwater, communicate with sea creatures, and even a degree of strength and resilience not found in ordinary humans. As an adult he secretely fights crime on the seas earning him the moniker 'Aquaman' while remaining curious about his origins and true heritage. The major thrust of the film would be Arthur's discovery of Atlantis, ruled by his tyrannical half-brother, Orm. Arthur joins the Atlantean resistance, led by Mera, and the defeats Orm, cementing his place as the rightful heir to the throne of Atlantis. Arthur however decides to leave Mera with the throne which he continues his heroic activities as Aquaman.
Legion of Super-Heroes might work, but I think it'd be more successful as a Superman spin-off. No, you don't have to put Superboy in a starring role, but a nod to Superboy/man inspiring the team and being a member would go a long way.
The Legion is essentially a team of beings from different cultures and races all inspired to come together by the legend of a immigrant boy in the distant past. That's an easy concept for movie-goers and advertisers to grasp.
I'd like to see The Sinestro Corps War done in the style of the early Star Wars films, with all of the aliens played by puppets or guys in suits.
I agree that Ocean Master makes a better first villain and Black Manta should be saved for a sequel, but I disagree that the hero and villain must have a connection for emotional depth. Look at Joker and Batman. Problem was the only villain built up in GL was Hector, who was a nobody, and then Parralax just shows up at the end. A villain needs scenes, needs to be memorable.
But GL had a lot of problems.
Personally I think all DC live action films should be written and supervised by the animation dudes.
Anyways, I'd like to see a Flash movie. Either start with Barry and keep him, or just start with Wally. None of that passing on the mantle at the end of the film or later in the series stuff. Works in comics when there's a lot of time to read the characters, but crap in film. And I know Captain Cold is the big villain, or that Reverse Flash would work to match speed, but personally I'd rather see Mirror Master. Mirror Master just has a power set/gimmick that could work great on film.
No clue who the actor would be for Flash, but they'd have to do a few months of running to really get it right I think. And since it is a running character, maybe some high speed Parkour(sp?)/free-running.
And, I may be in a minority here...but a Captain Marvel movie. Dude's really cool, I'd love to see a Captain Marvel movie.
A lot of people get sentience confused for sapience. Your hamster is sentient, you are sapient. Intelligence is sapience.
I posted this on another thread but nobody really cared. Let's try this one:
Batman Reboot.
(green parts: potential inclusion of Robin)
Arkham City aesthetics and level of realism with the new 52 suit. Dr Strange, head of Arkham, as the villain who is launching a psychological attack on Batman to destroy him and make himself the hero of Gotham. Strange is in command of an elite squad of Tyger guards who guard Arkham Island. He got them by convincing the Mayor that it would stop the lunatics from escaping so easily. Yes i'm kind of ripping off AC, but i'm keeping the Asylum... in the Asylum. AC was an idea just to facilitate you going around gotham with all the rogues running around. Strange also releases Garfield Lynns, Firefly. Firefly is supposed to burn down Gotham and make Batman look bad. The Tyger guards also sneak into Gotham undetected and carry out Strange's plans, even attacking Batman. But Batman cant prove it or if he can, Strange just says "well i only wanted to help the police catch Firefly".
The movie delves into Batman's psyche and we get many hallucination scenes like the ones in Begins or AA (scarecrow levels) or AC (Mad Hatter and Ras levels) because Batman's mind is breaking down because he's secretly being dosed drugs as Wayne and given subliminal messages about him not doing the right thing for Gotham, wasting his life, that his parents wouldnt condone his actions, etc. Firefly's actions are used to underline all that and show how ineffectual Bruce is. I dont know but perhaps i could merge this with Robin's origin. Bruce takes up Robin and right as he is about to allow him to tag along in missions he breaks down because of Strange and stops being Batman. Dick carries on by himself until the end where his escapades make the news and Bruce is pushed to wear the cowl again so that Dick will stop. Perhaps it would cramp up the movie with too many plot threads.
Strange's endgame is to break down Batman and force a police state on Gotham with him as the ruler. He believes he is doing the right thing for the city, he's being altruistic, not selfish.
At the end Batman beats Firefly and goes to Arkham to find Strange. Strange has dressed his guards into batman's rogues and with all the brainwashing i mentioned, batman hallucinates a nightmarish Gotham with all his rogues taunting him. In reality it's just the guards pointing his guns at him. In his mind he is reduced to kid Bruce who's standing over his dead parents:
He then finds courage by remembering about Alfred, Gordon and Robin (if i could fit him in the movie, i dunno) who support him and his mission, so he becomes batman again and fights the guards. The transformation happens like this: A swarm of bats flies around kid bruce who slowly ages. His little coat becomes batman's cape and he stands up as batman as the bat swarm flies around him. In reality he pressed the button under his boot and actually called the bats. So it sort of happens both in his hallucination and in reality. As the battle goes on, his mind begins to clear and he finally comes back to reality. Robin, Gordon and the police have been saving people from fires and they just now arrive at Arkham. Movie ends with Batman taking Robin back and Gordon accepting him after his earlier reservations about a kid fighting crime.
Last edited by Dr. Hurt; 05-14-2012 at 05:26 AM.
That's quiet a psychologically insightful treatment, if I may say so!
Though, I think you're film would work better either without Robin, or with Robin already established...since Dick's origin might just get in the way of the whole sub-plot of Hugo Strange trying to break Bruce Wayne.
I came up with an idea for a Batman reboot as well. Its loosely based on Steve Englehart's 'Strange Apparitions' run and 'Dark Victory', and deals with both Dick's origin as Robin and Batman's war against Rupert Thorne.
So you basically want them to copy Marvel Studios? ...I doubt that would go over so well with the general public and at the box office. WB needs to come up with something original, and something with higher quality than the GL movie to make their characters a viable box office threat to what Marvel Studios is doing.
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I'm sorry, but that is the one of the most ignorant criticisms I have ever read on CBR. "No non-comics fan has heard of any of the characters?" What a ridiculous thing to say.
Do you honestly think non-comics reading moviegoers had ever heard of Cyclops, Rogue, Sabretooth or Toad before the X-Men movies came out? How about, oh, I dunno, Blade? How many non-comics reading moviegoers even knew who Daredevil, Elektra or Bullseye were? And then there's Black Widow, Hawkeye and Thanos. Apparently, knowing absolutely nothing about the Avengers or their classic comics storylines didn't hurt box office sales in the least.
Using this absurd logic, Marvel should have given up on trying to make any movies with new characters 20 years ago after all their attempts with characters non-comic book fan moviegoers hadn't heard of bombed worse than Green Lantern ever did.
Seriously, the so-called "logic" you're using here makes zero sense. Period. Everything is new and untested until someone at the studios takes a leap of faith and gives it a chance. Case in point--the entire Law & Order franchise (not a geek thing at all) was almost cancelled in its first season because NBC thought no one would watch it--and initial ratings were terrible. Look at all the money that franchise has made over the past 20 years.
Using this argument, Fox should not have allowed Lucas to make Star Wars nor should any of Marvel's movie ideas over the past 15 years have ever been greenlit. The fact people haven't heard of something before is no reason not to give untested ideas a chance. Because consumers are *always* looking for something new to entertain them.
Last edited by Flashpoint; 05-15-2012 at 02:01 PM.
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