Wave 3: Likely Cancellations, likely additions

[theloupgaroukid]

Wildcats 3.0 was more relevant and ahead of its time than most superhero comics.

True, but I am a little cynical as to DC's ability to place competent creative teams in their lower tier properties and letting them prosper. For every Ann Nocenti on Green Arrow there is the could've been of Brian Clevinger on Firestorm...

Look at the current Stormwatch that shares little with Ellis's incarnation (or the Authority that followed) other than name. Whereas I would hope for a WildCATS more in line with what has happened with Liefeld properties Prophet and Glory I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Lemurion]

Anyone who thinks any Bat-book other than possibly Batwing is going is deluding themselves. I think for the next wave they're probably going to cut 5-6 of the bottom 8 or so books (they should have early numbers back on trade sales by that point so it may not be on straight periodical sales).

For replacements I like the following:

1) Brave & Bold - Batman Team-Up Book - As others have said, this can take advantage of the Bat-boost and still showcase other characters.
2) WildCATS - Wildstorm Team book
3) Icon - Milestone book - They should bring in at least one Milestone book and I like this one best. (Don't see Shadow Cabinet fitting in well due to Stormwatch).
4) Captain Comet - Space/Cosmic book - I like this better than Adam Strange because it allows for more of a true cosmic experience without the ties to Rann.

I'd also like a female-centric book but not sure about the details - maybe Fire and Ice with Bea and Tora but I don't know if it would feel too much like Words' Finest. Cass/Steph are also possibilities, but they're Bat-characters and I'd like a female centric-book that's not Bat-related. Possibly bring back Sensation Comics as a Wonder Woman team-up book?

[medioCORE]

Regardless of which books go, I'd be totally okay with it if we could get a get Booster Gold/Time Masters sort of book.

[rasx]

Deathstroke most likely will be cancelled.
I would like to see a Steel book.

[skyvolt2000]

you completely lost me with this

is not like writers actually need that much time to prep up for something like that
6 months is completely unreasonable

1) Whose says only blacks read black comics? I can point out plenty of black folks who can tell you who The Flash, LEGION & Huntress and have no idea who Static, Vixen, Storm, Miles Morales, Black Panther, Cyborg, Icon, Rocket, Blade, Luke Cage and even John Stewart is. Despite all the media coverage in whatever form these guys have had.

2) I used the six month window to allow them time to figure out what story line they wanted to do, editors to do their job and so on.

Because if I was in charge and I saw the blow up I saw with Static-EVERY single person that worked on that book would be FIRED. I'm tired of hearing about editors screwing up books. I don't want to hear about a writer doing a book and pretty much saying we know the book will fail so we are going to throw whatever out for fans to read. I want the same effort that is spent on the big guns spent on EVERY books that my company publishes.
If the book fails let it fail because that was the best effort you could do.

So six month to plan-you better have something good.

I also use the six months because any time sooner wouldn't make sense (although releasing them on Black Friday or the Biggest return day of the year-Day After Christmas might work too).

What good would it be to release a third wave with Avengers, Batman, Spider-Man, Spider-Men, Green Arrow TV series and Zero issues. In other words plenty of distractions.

Jan 9, 2013-release your new line with no distractions with you promoting the books the 2 previous months.

[ArnoldoAAD]

1) Whose says only blacks read black comics? I can point out plenty of black folks who can tell you who The Flash, LEGION & Huntress and have no idea who Static, Vixen, Storm, Miles Morales, Black Panther, Cyborg, Icon, Rocket, Blade, Luke Cage and even John Stewart is. Despite all the media coverage in whatever form these guys have had.

interesting come back

but then what do you mean by saying that those titles werent attracting the readers it intended?

2) I used the six month window to allow them time to figure out what story line they wanted to do, editors to do their job and so on.

Because if I was in charge and I saw the blow up I saw with Static-EVERY single person that worked on that book would be FIRED.

yeah i agree

I'm tired of hearing about editors screwing up books. I don't want to hear about a writer doing a book and pretty much saying we know the book will fail so we are going to throw whatever out for fans to read. I want the same effort that is spent on the big guns spent on EVERY books that my company publishes.
If the book fails let it fail because that was the best effort you could do.

So six month to plan-you better have something good.

I also use the six months because any time sooner wouldn't make sense (although releasing them on Black Friday or the Biggest return day of the year-Day After Christmas might work too).

What good would it be to release a third wave with Avengers, Batman, Spider-Man, Spider-Men, Green Arrow TV series and Zero issues. In other words plenty of distractions.

Jan 9, 2013-release your new line with no distractions with you promoting the books the 2 previous months.

I dont think promotion like that would work
look for example the Spider-men promos which we get a random picture with very little detail of it weeks before the solicits
and btw really hate Marvel promos
like those awful Fear Itself promos that had very little to do with the book

and finally
i dont even though the books get solicited 2 months before they had more on production

but 6 months is just unreal

[paulski]

the lowest sellers:

Resurrection Man #7 -- 17,176
Grifter #7 -- 16,559
Blue Beetle #7 -- 15,780
Voodoo #7 -- 15,097
Captain Atom #7 -- 13,738

I honestly can't see any of them surviving the next cancellations. Blue Beetle's the only one with a chance, but not if it's selling 15K.

[Shango's dogma]

Cancellations: the five lowest selling comics

Likely additions:
1. Shazam (jl spin-off)
2. Cyborg (who better get a A-list creative team)
3. Wildcats (since everyone listing them)
4. Young Justice (Static, Blue Beetle, Supergirl, Miss Martian, and few other teen heros)
5. another version of the jl (Steve's Team 7)

[Mr. Holmes]

So you recommend it? I was trying to find some trades, the covers look gorgeous.

Absolutely. Some of the vol. 2 Wildcats stuff is pretty good too. It became a good series once Lee stepped down, just like Stormwatch.

Look at the current Stormwatch that shares little with Ellis's incarnation (or the Authority that followed) other than name. Whereas I would hope for a WildCATS more in line with what has happened with Liefeld properties Prophet and Glory I'm not going to hold my breath.

The current Stormwatch is a pretty good mix of Stormwatch, Authority, and Planetary. Stormwatch and later Authority were both kind of the Justice League of the Wildstorm Universe, so the approach they did now is probably the best way to go to fit it in the DCU.

[ArnoldoAAD]

4. Young Justice (Static, Blue Beetle, Supergirl, Miss Martian, and few other teen heros)

you know, im tempted to say this would be a good idea but there are already 3 Teen Teams on DC with Ravagers coming on

even if this one came to replace Legion Lost i dont think be necessary

[JaHawk2009]

you know, im tempted to say this would be a good idea but there are already 3 Teen Teams on DC with Ravagers coming on

even if this one came to replace Legion Lost i dont think be necessary

It could prove to be necessary if Blue Beetle is cancelled. DC promised canned characters would appear regularly in other books, and what better way than to consolidate two poorly-selling books belonging to the young family into one book with the two failing characters and a couple big guns to pick up further interest.

[ArnoldoAAD]

It could prove to be necessary if Blue Beetle is cancelled. DC promised canned characters would appear regularly in other books, and what better way than to consolidate two poorly-selling books belonging to the young family into one book with the two failing characters and a couple big guns to pick up further interest.

if BB gets canceled he most likely end up in JLI

and i prefer if characters like for example Static dont get used anytime, specially because of how it failed

[JaHawk2009]

if BB gets canceled he most likely end up in JLI

and i prefer if characters like for example Static dont get used anytime, specially because of how it failed

Personally I agree with you on the Static thing, but I know he had a few fans and it would be a shame for him to disappear completely...

[IronMagnus]

JLI is cancelled, as per the new solicits.

[Shadowcat2576]

I have no problem with ending the lowest selling titles, even if it includes 2 that I'm reading. My issue though is that I'm not sure DC is interested in ending those specific titles right now. Flashpoint made a point of combining universes, and if Grifter, Voodoo, and RM end, a good chunck of that purpose ends with them. Also, aren't Voodoo and Grifter supposed to tie heavily with this big Demonite invasion or whatever it is DC has planned. If Captain Atom and BB ended to join the JLI, at least I think people would be happy to be closer to the JLI of Gen Lost.

As for what I feel DC should try next (not just what I want, but what I think wold work for DC):

Brave and the Bold:Team up big guns (Bats, Sups, WW, GL) with B and C listers. I think this would sell in a way that DCU Presents hasn't because of the A List connection. It would also allow for the universe building and character introduction that is very needed in the DCnU

Batman and the Outsiders: I hate to add yet another Batman title to his already large corner of the DCnU, but he does sell. It gives another team in which to introduce more missing DCnU characters. I do think that Batman needs to have a bigger role in this than he has in more recent volumes though.

Shadowpact: The Dark titles are hitting the mark right now so I'd like to see a new home for some still missing mystiic characters like Blue Devil and Black Alice.