Yuri Boyka vs. Movie Black Widow

[The Black One]

In the Arena, in a pure H2H fight. Widow doesn't have her guns or her stun gauntlet things.

[FrenchGemini]

Errr... you do realize that, at least in Undisputed 2, Boyka had basically the same fighting skills as Widow (it was less acrobatic in 3 because of the bad knee). So, I'll go with the bigger and as agile Russian.

[T51R]

Given similar skills, and I haven't watched Avengers yet, I'm gonna need to ask a) who's more resistant to being KO'd(because Boyka's practically impossible to KO) and whose pain tolerance is higher.

BUT. Given common knowledge? I'm betting on Widow going: "I'll beat you at your own game: KNEE WRESTLING."

[FalconX2000]

Given similar skills, and I haven't watched Avengers yet, I'm gonna need to ask a) who's more resistant to being KO'd(because Boyka's practically impossible to KO) and whose pain tolerance is higher.

BUT. Given common knowledge? I'm betting on Widow going: "I'll beat you at your own game: KNEE WRESTLING."

Boyka's definitely got better soak feats, but Black Widow should have superior striking power. She could sure mow through a lot of people in hth really quickly.

[FrenchGemini]

Perhaps, but with those two it will come to grappling sooner or later, and given that they are each about as skilled as the other... There's a reason there are weight classes in MMA competitions.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Weight classes are pretty irrelevant when it comes to Black Widow to be honest.
Real life people she would likely tear through with little to no effort.
However against Boyka, I think she is going down. He is too durable, physically stronger, and can force this into a grapple where she will invariably lose.

[FrenchGemini]

Weight classes are pretty irrelevant when it comes to Black Widow to be honest.

Against someone else, I wouldn't have used that argument (For example, I'm okay with her beating someone like Bale Batman, who is heavier but less skilled than her, in H2H). But since their speed and skills are comparable, the strength, durability and weight advantage cut it for me

[T51R]

Boyka's definitely got better soak feats, but Black Widow should have superior striking power. She could sure mow through a lot of people in hth really quickly.

Check out Undisputed 3. Slo-mo because there probably weren't enough guards. But yer, its different against many people than fighting a similarly skilled opponent. I reckon if Widow doesn't go for a 1-hit KO(and from the info here, its doubtful that she could pull it off even if she connected) and prolongs the fight, then Boyka's going to learn the ins and outs of her style, as shown in Undisputed 2, thrice, once against Chambers as well.

After which its feints, grapples, and fakie kicks to the head.

Though, we are looking at a prisoner who probably hasn't seen a woman for a few years. So we might spot Widow the first 3 seconds of the match due to jaw-on-floor factor.

[Eternal Torment]

Check out Undisputed 3. Slo-mo because there probably weren't enough guards. But yer, its different against many people than fighting a similarly skilled opponent. I reckon if Widow doesn't go for a 1-hit KO(and from the info here, its doubtful that she could pull it off even if she connected) and prolongs the fight, then Boyka's going to learn the ins and outs of her style, as shown in Undisputed 2, thrice, once against Chambers as well.

After which its feints, grapples, and fakie kicks to the head.

Though, we are looking at a prisoner who probably hasn't seen a woman for a few years. So we might spot Widow the first 3 seconds of the match due to jaw-on-floor factor.

I have to ask, how did Chambers learn so much quicker than Boyka?

And Crot didn't teach Boyka the knee break move?

[T51R]

And Crot didn't teach Boyka the knee break move?

From watching the movie I don't think Crot had anything to do with Boyka to begin with; he was ex-Spetsnaz or something like that(Russian Special Forces?) I don't recall him saying anything about training Boyka, to be honest. Is that from Wikipedia?

I have to ask, how did Chambers learn so much quicker than Boyka?

He had more Spiral Power.

[Eternal Torment]

From watching the movie I don't think Crot had anything to do with Boyka to begin with; he was ex-Spetsnaz or something like that(Russian Special Forces?) I don't recall him saying anything about training Boyka, to be honest. Is that from Wikipedia?

Yeah, from wiki. Honestly, I didn't catch that when I watched through the film. It might have been implied, though. I tend to miss subtle things.

[T51R]

Yeah, from wiki. Honestly, I didn't catch that when I watched through the film. It might have been implied, though. I tend to miss subtle things.

IDK if it was even implied to be honest, most of the plot was dedicated to George turning from an ex-champion into a decent human being. Can't for the life of me recall anyone or anything alluding to Crot being Boyka's original trainer, at all.

[Eternal Torment]

IDK if it was even implied to be honest, most of the plot was dedicated to George turning from an ex-champion into a decent human being. Can't for the life of me recall anyone or anything alluding to Crot being Boyka's original trainer, at all.

So... who trained Boyka? The ghost of MMA fighting?

[T51R]

No idea. I don't think it was ever addressed in either movie appearance. Though, Adkins has indicated that he'd like to do Undisputed 4 so it might explore the character a bit more.