Movie Spiderman vs Movie Wolverine Cage match

[Syrile Demonthyst]

surprisingly on his part, his spidey abilities took place there. Logan can still try to attack while parker is back flipping. he is better in the H2H field then some highschool jock

That is not what I asked.
At all.

So, was he in control of his powers when he was attacked by Flash?

[Surtur]

he is still faster than freaking Flash, read my last post regarding replacing logan with flash against sabretooth.

Like I pointed out, even if he is quicker then Flash his is not quicker by a ridiculous margin, which is what he'd need to be. Also, when did any version of Sabretooth that wasn't in the Origins film show super speed?

and if bone saw can land hits then so can logan. it was not pis from Bone saw landing hits cause parker was not that experience yet with combat. so he didnt know how to use his speed verry well in combat. beating a school bus running doesnt really teach how to fight quickly. you gotta learn that on your own, which he didnt 100% till afterwards.

I'm sorry, but this is just some very bizarre logic. We clearly see that he is more then quick enough to avoid punches when he bothers to use his speed. To suggest lack of experience makes massively faster reflexes just disappear doesn't make any sense.

So if it's not PIS, then you are saying that Bonesaw has Spider-man level speed. Which means him hitting Spidey is irrelevant since Wolverine doesn't have Spider-man level speed.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Not really. Heck, Peter had just discovered his webs not even 5 minutes prior and was surprised as hell when he went all matrix on Flash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMzqv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CO1v7NmhN4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E0oi...eature=related

Heh.
I know.
But I want to know what he believes.
It is clear he is applying a double-standard to the movie at the point.

[Guy1]

I don't believe anyone other then you has mentioned anything like that. But the feat where he danced around the punch was pretty amazing - remember, everyone else was PAUSED. Let's imagine that movie Logan is 4 times as fast as the star high-school athlete Flash Thompson. Then consider that the punch was about to HIT Peter when he turned around, considered everything, dodged the punch and then effectively let everyone else get one with looking stupid. So while Peter MIGHT not be able to dodge a punch as easily from Logan from 2 inches away, he'll DEFINITELY be able to trivially dodge his punches coming from 2 feet away, when he's LOOKING at Logan.

The speed difference is THAT big. It might take Pete a while to down Logan - he'll likely hurt his hand a little the first time he clocks him in the head, and Logan's going to heal some, but Logan will NEVER hit Pete unless Pete lets him.

This ignores the fact that at the end of the movie, Pete took huge numbers of punches from the Goblin (a guy strong enough to catch Peter's hand no-sell/stop one-handed mid-punch the first time they meet) and got smashed through brick walls and was still fresh enough to kick Norman's ass horribly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnjyM...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GAXZ...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOrnE...eature=related

[Deadman25]

That is not what I asked.
At all.

So, was he in control of his powers when he was attacked by Flash?

yes, they were starting to take affect. but parker is fighting Logan here not Flash.

[Deadman25]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnjyM...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GAXZ...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOrnE...eature=related

someone forgot to read OP or they would know none of those scenes apply here or are valid.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

yes, they were starting to take affect. but parker is fighting Logan here not Flash.

OK.
So, by your own admission, you are saying that his powers were under his control in that scene.
And yet, throughout this entire thread you have said he did not have control over his powers in the first movie.

So, which is it?
You cannot have both.

What you are arguing now is that they will conveniently fail him when Wolverine attacks him, allowing the fight to be better than it should be.
That is the pure definition of what PIS is, which is always off in Rumbles.

[Guy1]

Its common knowledge that Peter pulls his punches as to not accidentally kill a guy and from what I've seen of his feats, he was holding back on Otto since he needed to know where mj was.

Dude,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1s-PVl3k5c
Ock got smacked in the face with a desk hard enough to send him flying and slam into a car. He shrugged that off.
Dock Ock was borderline meta at times.

[Deadman25]

OK.
So, by your own admission, you are saying that his powers were under his control in that scene.
And yet, throughout this entire thread you have said he did not have control over his powers in the first movie.

So, which is it?
You cannot have both.

What you are arguing now is that they will conveniently fail him when Wolverine attacks him, allowing the fight to be better than it should be.
That is the pure definition of what PIS is, which is always off in Rumbles.

my argument is that he is not used to them yet 100% and that Logan is a damn better fighter than Flash and Bone saw put together.

Wolverine can give harder hits than Bone saw, logan can take harder hits, logan has healing. I dont know why thats so hard to understand. you all want to give the fight 100% to spidey as if Logan is just some pussy that has never fought before vs someone thats getting the hang of their abilities.

[Surtur]

It doesn't matter if he's a better fighter, he can't hit Peter, at all. Batman is a better fighter then Quicksilver, guess how much that helps him in a fight against him?

Also, every single scene in the first Spider-man movie would definitely apply, in terms of strength and speed. His stats didn't change by the end of the movie.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

my argument is that he is not used to them yet 100% and that Logan is a damn better fighter than Flash and Bone saw put together.

Wolverine can give harder hits than Bone saw, logan can take harder hits, logan has healing. I dont know why thats so hard to understand. you all want to give the fight 100% to spidey as if Logan is just some pussy that has never fought before vs someone thats getting the hang of their abilities.

So, your argument is that the "not 100%" is only whenever it is convenient. Just like I said.
There is no possible way, short of PIS that Logan can land a hit on Spiderman.
You have all but acknowledged that you know that based on your statements here that Peter is in control of his power when he displays his power, but not whenever he gets hit.
You are literally arguing that PIS will allow the fight to be good. Even though it still would take more than just speed.

Also, the reason I asked about Flash is double-edged.
When did Wolverine ever show a level of speed even slightly close to what Peter did to Flash?
Anything to even slightly show him near that level and thus able to hit Wolverine?

[Guy1]

It doesn't matter if he's a better fighter, he can't hit Peter, at all. Batman is a better fighter then Quicksilver, guess how much that helps him in a fight against him?
.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho2Z0Zv2L1s

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Is there anything at all to suggest that Peter's powers came and went?

[Surtur]

Is there anything at all to suggest that Peter's powers came and went?

Nope, nothing at all. The only time he lost his powers was in the 2nd film, but that was mostly psychological.

[Deadman25]

It doesn't matter if he's a better fighter, he can't hit Peter, at all. Batman is a better fighter then Quicksilver, guess how much that helps him in a fight against him?

Also, every single scene in the first Spider-man movie would definitely apply, in terms of strength and speed. His stats didn't change by the end of the movie.

spiderman is now quicksilver ? his skills and getting the hang of them applied later on or else he would not have gotten smackers from bone saw. like it or not it happened. yall just want to pull out the pis card cause you dont like scenery in the cage. Dont you think I chose it for a reason to make things more fair for logan or else he would get his ass kicked if we can use what ever feats for spidey in all 3 movies.