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    Default Movie Human Watchmen vs Movie Human Avengers

    Nite Owl
    Ozymandias
    Silk Spectre
    Rorschach
    The Comedian

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    Black Widow
    Hawkeye
    Captain America
    Emil Blonsky (pre Abomination transformation)
    Nick Fury

    Scenario 1: Weapons allowed, team fight.

    Scenario 2: No weapons, team fight.

    Scenario 3: One on one matches as follows:

    -Nick Fury vs Nite Owl
    -Black Widow vs Silk Spectre
    -Hawkeye vs Rorshach
    -Emil Blonsky vs The Comedian
    -Captain America vs Ozymandias

    Which team wins?
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    1)Hawkeye blows up the opposition with a trick arrow.

    2) Ozzy is low level bullet time, he might be the guy who eeks out the win for his team after a long, long battle.

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    1.) Hawkeye wins this one.

    2.) Nite Owl and Rorschach beat up dozens of cops and inmates between them pretty effortlessly. Ozymandias beats them both up at the same time with even less effort. The other Watchmen should at least last long enough for him to beat whoever he's fighting and then help his teammates. Watchmen win. Nick Fury is the weak link here also. The Watch(wo)man fighting him will easily win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleric of Hell's Brigade View Post
    Scenario 1: Weapons allowed, team fight.
    Hawkeye would easily win this... Unless Veidt has his laser, in which case Hawkeye dies to a laser slicing his head off.. along with most others and then Veidt proceeds to kill the rest of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleric of Hell's Brigade View Post
    Scenario 2: No weapons, team fight.
    Veidt gives his team the win. But a very hard-fought win despite being a Bullet-Timer.

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    -Nick Fury vs Nite Owl
    Depends on what your take on Nite Owl's ability to aim-dodge here.
    If he closes he easily wins.

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    -Black Widow vs Silk Spectre
    Well, Black Widow is likely just about as fast and is better at hand-to-hand, despite being physically weaker.. Spectre dies to a gunshot.

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    -Hawkeye vs Rorshach
    Rorshach has no answer for the arrows and dies horribly.

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    -Emil Blonsky vs The Comedian
    I am not sure that Emil could actually put down The Comedian before he loses.
    If we are counting gun-v-gun, I would probably give Emil the advantage slightly due to speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holacik View Post
    2) Ozzy is low level bullet time, he might be the guy who eeks out the win for his team after a long, long battle.
    No... Ozzy can do a party trick that superficially resembles bullet time, if the attack is blatantly telegraphed and he's feeling too arrogant to just aim-dodge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegalith View Post
    No... Ozzy can do a party trick that superficially resembles bullet time, if the attack is blatantly telegraphed and he's feeling too arrogant to just aim-dodge.
    Not in the movie.
    In the comic, sure.
    But in the movie he specifically does not move until after the bullet is fired at point-blank range. And he catches it.

    In the comic his best feat is blocking the bullet with the pole, the bullet-catch is kind of bleh, for a bullet-time feat. It is dubious at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegalith View Post
    No... Ozzy can do a party trick that superficially resembles bullet time, if the attack is blatantly telegraphed and he's feeling too arrogant to just aim-dodge.
    He has two scenes that put him at low-level bullet timing, catching the bullet, and then reacting to the assassin (pretty much moving at regular speed while everyone else is moving in slow-mo. This is additionally supported by his casual curbstomping of two peak humans to the point that they never land a hit on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleric of Hell's Brigade View Post
    Scenario 3: One on one matches as follows:
    -Nick Fury vs Nite Owl
    -Black Widow vs Silk Spectre
    -Hawkeye vs Rorshach
    -Emil Blonsky vs The Comedian
    -Captain America vs Ozymandias
    Which team wins?
    Match 1: Giving my vote to Fury, assuming he can take Nite Owl down before he gets close.
    Match 2: Ends in sex.
    Match 3: Hawkeye stomps.
    Match 4: Blonsky
    Match 5: A truly amazing fight, but I'd give it to Veidt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrile Demonthyst View Post
    Hawkeye would easily win this... Unless Veidt has his laser, in which case Hawkeye dies to a laser slicing his head off.. along with most others and then Veidt proceeds to kill the rest of them.
    Just to point out: It was Nite Owl who had the laser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy1 View Post
    Match 2: Ends in sex.
    Got-Effing-Damm!
    I hope so.

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    Just to point out: It was Nite Owl who had the laser.
    Haha.
    Yeah, that is right!
    I forgot about that, lol.
    Well, if Veidt takes it from him at a BT speeds then. :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrile Demonthyst View Post
    Got-Effing-Damm!
    I hope so.



    Haha.
    Yeah, that is right!
    I forgot about that, lol.
    Well, if Veidt takes it from him at a BT speeds then. :p
    It's Veidt.
    He took it from him 35 minutes ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrile Demonthyst View Post
    Not in the movie.
    In the comic, sure.
    But in the movie he specifically does not move until after the bullet is fired at point-blank range. And he catches it.

    In the comic his best feat is blocking the bullet with the pole, the bullet-catch is kind of bleh, for a bullet-time feat. It is dubious at best.


    I'm not seeing bullet-time special effects there, it just looks the same as it's described in the comic: Carefully watching the trigger pull and timing his hand to move where the bullet's going to be.

    There's certainly not what you described: We don't see the bullet leave the barrel then him start moving his hand up in slow motion, just real-time footage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holacik
    He has two scenes that put him at low-level bullet timing, catching the bullet, and then reacting to the assassin (pretty much moving at regular speed while everyone else is moving in slow-mo.
    The other guys in that scene were normals, of course they're in slow motion compared to him.

    This is additionally supported by his casual curbstomping of two peak humans to the point that they never land a hit on him.
    Because he's more skilled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy1 View Post
    It's Veidt.
    He took it from him 35 minutes ago.
    Exactly!
    He even broke the fourth-wall and tricked me!

    Quote Originally Posted by Omegalith View Post
    I'm not seeing bullet-time special effects there, it just looks the same as it's described in the comic: Carefully watching the trigger pull and timing his hand to move where the bullet's going to be.
    Just because there was no special effects to demonstrate it does not mean anything.
    He was not moving his hand to intercept the bullet before it was fired.
    In the comic you can clearly see him moving prior to the bullet firing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy1 View Post
    The other guys in that scene were normals, of course they're in slow motion compared to him.
    This is partially true.
    Though he was beyond casual here and it is arguable that he moved after a bullet was fired as well.
    But I have no desire to have that conversation again. Suffice it to say that the rest of the scene is not really bullet-time itself but does help support his speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy1 View Post
    Because he's more skilled.
    I disagree that it was all skill but I do want to state that neither of his opponents were really CBPH, so it is not nearly as impressive for saying he is a bullet-timer, though it does support that he has high levels of speed. And has no contradictions in it either. He mauled them like they were a joke.
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    The other guys in that scene were normals, of course they're in slow motion compared to him.

    Because he's more skilled.
    Er dude, just saying, you quoted the wrong guy with these two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrile Demonthyst View Post
    Just because there was no special effects to demonstrate it does not mean anything.
    It means there's no evidence that what you're saying happened. We don't see him moving whilst a bullet has already left the gun.

    He was not moving his hand to intercept the bullet before it was fired.
    The clip doesn't have him speed up beyond an ordinary snatching gesture. He had to have been moving before it fired.
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