Watchmen vs Avengers

[Neoprime]

Watchmen(Movie Versions)
/Rorschach
/The Comedian
/Doctor Manhattan
/Nite Owl
/Ozymandias
/Silk Spectre

vs.



Avengers(Movie Versions)
/Captain America
/Hulk
/Iron Man
/Thor
/Black Widow
/Hawkeye

They fight on an alternate earth(no fantastic four, x-men, silk spectre I, etc...), no prep time, round 1 all are in character, round 2 bloodlust, who wins.

[Guy1]

This is essentially Doctor M. vs The Avengers.
The Human Level Watchmen aren't much use here.

[big_adventure]

This is essentially Doctor M. vs The Avengers.
The Human Level Watchmen aren't much use here.

This - exactly this. And even this, with no prep, it pretty much comes down to whether or not Thor can 10-count Dr. M. I would guess that Dr. M could hurt or space-dump Thor and Hulk, it just takes him a moment to do such things.

[Slade]

This - exactly this. And even this, with no prep, it pretty much comes down to whether or not Thor can 10-count Dr. M. I would guess that Dr. M could hurt or space-dump Thor and Hulk, it just takes him a moment to do such things.

Transmutation would work too on Hulk and Thor. But the best the Avengers could hope for is a ten count which isn't even a sure bet.

[shades of eternity]

Depends whether doctor manhatten can be scrambled at the atomic level...both tony are smart enough to figure it out, and an arc reactor strike might mess him up if they get the time.

To get the time, there's Hulk and Thor and it's not a sure bet.

[Will M]

IIRC even being atomised didn't keep Manhattan down for a ten count.

[shades of eternity]

true, but it's hard to reform when your in an atomic suspension.

basically put the molecules in an energy field so it can't reform and separate them.

not saying it's doable in the time allowed, but it's how i would take him down and tony's smart enough to do so, and the energy tricks might be plausible.

(tony has similar feats against the living laser in the comics).

however even if it's possible, tony's not going to have the time.

[Guy Smiley]

Yeah, I don't think movie avengers have any feats against Manhattan-style disintegration. And while Tony and Bruce could probably build some sort of containment unit for Manhattan, that'd take prep that they don't have. Pretty sure Manhattan takes this. Especially if there are five or so of him on the field.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

IIRC even being atomised didn't keep Manhattan down for a ten count.

It did actually keep him down beyond a ten count.
However with no prep here, it goes to a quick-draw.
I have no desire for this to turn into a 20+ page thread about him but I have had the discussion before that he does not, by default, start in an intangible form. Thus, at ridiculous speeds, Tony blows his head off.
The fastest he has recovered from fatal-level damage is over 10-seconds..

Barring a speed-blitz by Tony or maybe Thor though, Dr. Manhattan simply turns Intangible and teleports them all to space.

As for his ability to destroy things, this was ruled on previously: He has displayed the ability to damage things up to Tank-Level. Both Thor and Hulk are above that (Tony to but that is his armor, not him). And he never displayed actual transmutation on a living creature. In fact, he only really disassembled and reassembled things to be honest.

[KurtW95]

Without Doctor Manhattan- Avengers are the victors.
With Doctor Manhattan- Avengers are defeated before the battle begins

[Slade]

In fact, he only really disassembled and reassembled things to be honest.

Nope, he created that large clock thing on Mars.

[Omegalith]

Nope, he created that large clock thing on Mars.

Fusing sand into glass isn't exactly complex transmutation.

[Slade]

Fusing sand into glass isn't exactly complex transmutation.

We don't know if it was glass or not. To me it looked like metal.

[big_adventure]

We don't know if it was glass or not. To me it looked like metal.

OK, sucking iron ore out of the ludicrously iron rich surface of Mars is ALSO not transmutation.

Remember, Manhattan built the crazy energy generator thingy in the film, working with Veidt. He didn't just create the components - he built and assembled it. That would seem to indicate the need for raw materials, rather than just transmuting air or something.

[Slade]

How do you knwo he sucked ore from Mars?