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[Dr. Hurt]

On another note, i just remembered that WW's cape on that cover that she's sitting on the throne is black. Could SteveGus be right and could WW ascend to the throne by marrying Hades? I assume she'd do it as herself, not Hades' puppet otherwise Zola wouldnt be standing by her side, she would be trying to save her or stop her or something, but even so... I dunno man.

It would be glorious to see Hera's face though.

[Rob_Olivera]

On another note, i just remembered that WW's cape on that cover that she's sitting on the throne is black. Could SteveGus be right and could WW ascend to the throne by marrying Hades? I assume she'd do it as herself, not Hades' puppet otherwise Zola wouldnt be standing by her side, she would be trying to save her or stop her or something, but even so... I dunno man.

It would be glorious to see Hera's face though.

All of it which would support my (wish) prediction that she'll be faking to be "in love" with him for the next couple of issues... insinuating that the bullets did not have an effect on her and making this all part of her plan (not Hephaestus's, or Lennox's, or Eros's, etc...) That would be killer!

My question is.. Zeus has plenty of illegitimate sons/daughters, etc... Why would Wonder Woman end up on the throne and not any of the others to begin with. I know it's her book, but isn't any other Demigod/ess going to step up to the plate and try to dethrone her?

[swatkat]

All of it which would support my (wish) prediction that she'll be faking to be "in love" with him for the next couple of issues... insinuating that the bullets did not have an effect on her and making this all part of her plan (not Hephaestus's, or Lennox's, or Eros's, etc...) That would be killer!

My question is.. Zeus has plenty of illegitimate sons/daughters, etc... Why would Wonder Woman end up on the throne and not any of the others to begin with. I know it's her book, but isn't any other Demigod/ess going to step up to the plate and try to dethrone her?

I kind of want her to fall under the influence of the bullet and then fight her way out of it somehow.

[WhitOro]

I kind of want her to fall under the influence of the bullet and then fight her way out of it somehow.

She just needs to remember her true love...



Naaaaah


Oh yeah.
DIANA NEVER GOT RUSTY WITH ALEKA.

[americanwonder]

OK, maybe. But this is Ares right? And if you want to show him igniting wars, why not show him do that in a real life nation that is in a bloody revolution at this moment? ...

I've said it before, but I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of using real life wars/conflicts, and blaming Ares for "igniting" them. We do this very ugly #### on our own. I'm fine with Ares being there, but I'm not really ok with trying to paint our faults in some type of 'evil villain made us do it.'

With the scene in the preview for issue #9, I'm ok with the use of real world areas like this. What bothers me is the comedic portrayal of the killer. We can try to pass it off as "dark comedy," but I find it an unfunny and very ugly juxtaposition that doesn't help bring awareness to real issues, but feels more like it trivializes them (note: I really don't think that was the intent by anyone involved).

[Reginleif]

I've said it before, but I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of using real life wars/conflicts, and blaming Ares for "igniting" them. We do this very ugly #### on our own. I'm fine with Ares being there, but I'm not really ok with trying to paint our faults in some type of 'evil villain made us do it.'

With the scene in the preview for issue #9, I'm ok with the use of real world areas like this. What bothers me is the comedic portrayal of the killer. We can try to pass it off as "dark comedy," but I find it an unfunny and very ugly juxtaposition that doesn't help bring awareness to real issues, but feels more like it trivializes them (note: I really don't think that was the intent by anyone involved).

I dont know we can say it is his fault. He just seems to be a witness.

[americanwonder]

... it's just because I've sometimes gotten the impression that you think DC is deliberately spiking sales of the character in their zeal to marginalize and destroy her--which I find hard to believe, if only because I'm not sure corporations are capable of hating anything more than they love money...

I agree that money, the desire for increased sales (not in and of itself a bad thing), is the most likely driving factor. Nevertheless, for those that really enjoy a character as it was, don't you think that "All-New All-Different" can feel very much like "destroying?" Here, by "destroying," I'm not saying they want to destroy the character altogether and forever so that they never use him/her again, but want to "destroy" the old character as it was because it wasn't selling/appealing enough.

Well, I'm sorry if I haven't made clear that I do find this to be a controversial point. Does Azzarello depart from Marston in many ways? Of course. I don't think these departures reveal contempt; I think they reveal curiosity. What if the Amazons seemed more like the Amazons, or other scary women, of myth? What if Diana were to discover that she is not only the princess of the Amazons but also an heiress of Heaven? What if the Amazons had secret sons? I don't think one has to have contempt for Marston to be curious about these questions; one just has to be open to a different take.Marston's concept is 70 years old; if it's going to be kept alive, there are going to be new, sometimes fairly radical takes on it...

I don't think we can say it's contempt, but curiosity doesn't seem to fully cover it either. Azzarello said he came on board after dinner with DiDio in which they discussed DiDio's plans for WW. DiDio seems to have had an agenda (again, not in and of itself a bad thing necessarily) to change apsects of WW. So, there seems to be some 'wrinkles' that DiDio wanted ironed out, so to speak, no? Thus, I don't think we can really say this story is driven strickly by creative curiosity.

...Azzarello has complimented Marston's stories, ...

Your "prediction" model seems to work best when applied in retrospect; ...

Complimented? Do you really think that Marston would say Azzarellos depiction of the Amazons thus far is a compliment to Marston's own? And how is your own "prediction" model really that different than Steve's? Sure, you seem to be on opposite ends, but where he's coloring with "destroy," aren't you sugar-coating everything with "complimented Marston's stories?"

eta: Please note that I think you bring some very interesting and valuable insights to the discussion. I just find it funny that you almost always seem to paint every complaint in the best possible light you can find. :)

[americanwonder]

She just needs to remember her true love...

BATMAN!

[SteveGus]

With the scene in the preview for issue #9, I'm ok with the use of real world areas like this. What bothers me is the comedic portrayal of the killer. We can try to pass it off as "dark comedy," but I find it an unfunny and very ugly juxtaposition that doesn't help bring awareness to real issues, but feels more like it trivializes them (note: I really don't think that was the intent by anyone involved).

We look to superhero comics to find a world where good reliably triumphs over evil, because in reality it so seldom does.

On another note, i just remembered that WW's cape on that cover that she's sitting on the throne is black. Could SteveGus be right and could WW ascend to the throne by marrying Hades? I assume she'd do it as herself, not Hades' puppet otherwise Zola wouldnt be standing by her side, she would be trying to save her or stop her or something, but even so... I dunno man.

In fairness, while I had predicted well before #8 that WW would likely end up married to Hades, it was Gaelforce who suggested that the marriage might be her ticket to the throne.

[Outside_85]

OK, maybe. But this is Ares right? And if you want to show him igniting wars, why not show him do that in a real life nation that is in a bloody revolution at this moment?

I would say the Gods actually don't start anything, they arrive where their kind of stuff happens, most of the time.
Blood is being shed, Ares will be nearby in one way or form.
Strife appears when strife is about to happen, such as it did when she hinted of Diana's parentage (note that she only hinted at it, it was Hippolyta who chose to tell the whole truth)

As such, its not unfair to say that the Gods are concepts that have taken form the same way the Endless have, perhaps just on a lesser scale.

[americanwonder]

I honestly do not like the idea of Diana using marriage as a ticket to the throne.

I like the sneakiness, cunning, etc. it would take. But marriage for the throne? Just to keep it warm for Zeus? Ick. Ick. Ick. I much prefered Athena and Diana tossing the old man to the curb (and him later seeing that they were right).

I'm sure Slvn will be here shortly to tell me just how wonderfully it could play out to the glory of WW.

[Gaelforce]

I just see it as a way to resolve the situation and keep the peace - the kind of clever solution Wonder Woman would come up with.

[americanwonder]

I just see it as a way to resolve the situation and keep the peace - the kind of clever solution Wonder Woman would come up with.

I agree that it could be a very clever way for Diana to help keep the peace. I just don't care for marriage still being used this way (didn't care for the mention that Hera was basically nothing without a King either).

[SteveGus]

I honestly do not like the idea of Diana using marriage as a ticket to the throne.

I like the sneakiness, cunning, etc. it would take. But marriage for the throne? Just to keep it warm for Zeus? Ick. Ick. Ick. I much prefered Athena and Diana tossing the old man to the curb (and him later seeing that they were right).

In Greek mythology, Hades was usually portrayed as formal to a fault, utterly fair-minded, and concerned more than anything else with preserving the status quo. If anyone is on Zeus's side in this, it would be him.

A refresher on the gods' family tree might be helpful.

Full sibling children of Cronus and Rhea:

Zeus
Hades
Hera
Hestia
Demeter
Poseidon

Legitimate children of Zeus and Hera:

Ares
Hephaestus
Hebe
Eilytheia
Enyo
Eris (Strife)

Zeus's bastards:

Athena (x Metis)

Hermes (x Maia)

Apollo
Artemis (x Leto)

Dionysus (x Semele)

Many other demigods, of course, including for the purposes of the book Wonder Woman and Zola's child.

Something else entirely:

Aphrodite, born from the sea-foam when Cronus castrated Uranus and threw his genitalia into the sea. Technically Aphrodite is senior to Zeus.

Greek mythology is the original home of the retcon, and there are alternate genealogies. This one is the Homeric one, which Azzarello seems to be using; Strife and Ares are siblings. Hesiod gives a rather different account, and there were local variations.

[americanwonder]

In Greek mythology, Hades was usually portrayed as formal to a fault, utterly fair-minded, and concerned more than anything else with preserving the status quo. If anyone is on Zeus's side in this, it would be him.

So Hades is really just trying to get a child of Zeus on the throne? That's very sweet of him.