Movie Silver Surfer vs. Movie Avengers

[Syrile Demonthyst]

just cause some characters are invincible that does not make them immune to specific characters. like mentioned before we can say its impossible to knock him off the board physically just cause we havent seen it. there wasnt someone strong enough in the FF movie to do it.

Apples and oranges.
They were relying on a featless statement to say he was impossible to remove from the board.
On the other hand, we have a feat of Surfer turning intangible but no feat of Thor or Hulk hurting an intangible being.
Thus, Surfer is immune to their attacks.

and thor blocked some blasts to, thats just good reflexes not speed feat in combat.

Reacting to a missile is a reflex feat...

[big_adventure]

and thor blocked some blasts to, thats just good reflexes not speed feat in combat.

Actually, it is EXACTLY a speed feat (more precisely, a number of speed feats) in combat. When we talk speed feats, that's what we mean. After, we try to reach a consensus on the LEVEL of the speed feat. In Thor's case, his combat speed feats include batting away WITH SWINGS multiple energy blasts of as-yet-undetermined velocity. That MAY be low-end bullet-time, it may be CBPH, it may be between those levels. We'll know more when we have a blu-ray and can actually estimate distances and count the frames for the shots. I explained all of this in another thread. Ad nauseum.

The Flash and Surfer and Gladiator have way way way past light speed feats.

Comic Superman has light speed-ish feats.

Comic Thor has between low end speedster and high-end bullet-timer feats.

Comic Spidey, Iron Fist and Cass Cain have very high end bullet-time feats.

Comic Daredevil has extremely solid mid-tier bullet-time feats.

Comic Lady Shiva and Deathstroke have "ringer", AKA above CBPH (defined as Batman and Cap, roughly) below BT feats.

Comic Batman and Cap have what we define as CBPH feats.

X1-X3 Movie Magneto has "I'm a normal really old dude in good shape using mental powers not lifting weights" feats.

Aunt May has "I'm a slow old lady who has somehow been over 80 for around 50 years" feats.

The snails on my terrace have "I'm too slow to avoid getting accidentally stomped on by the big-footed owner" feats.

They are all feats. Some are better than others.

[Siriel]

Okay, stop.

Let's keep this as simple as possible.

Deadman25, please answer this scenario:

The Surfer turns intangible at the start of the fight, as is within his capacities shown in the movie, and then proceeds to pick off the Avengers one-by-one.

How do they counter this?

[Rhyvurg]

we can put stark infront of surfer and keep letting Stark fire while Norean is distracted with absorbing all the fires through the board. while he is distracted Thor can make the throw from there. the only time he managed to phase was through Susan's shield.

He also phased through a building and a bus. And as I said, his basic attack transmutes the target, it's not a simple blast. Doom reformed inside that iceberg, he wasn't blasted through it. He also melted Reed's tracking machine without blowing a hole into the room, his attack went through solid matter and struck something on the other side. Makes me wonder if Thor even COULD deflect with the hammer, Surfer hits what he aims at. But phasing through the shield does make a good argument for his defense against lightning.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

But phasing through the shield does make a good argument for his defense against lightning.

Yes, it does.
I had honestly forgotten about that until he mentioned it, lol.

[Surtur]

the Watcher is a mod on cbr i go by what he says.

The Watcher 06-18-2007, 06:45 PM
Remember though that even though the Board is the source of movie Surfer's power, it can't be separated from him by mere physical force. It took Reed building a device that emitted a specific tachyon field to jam the Surfer's link with his Board.

I don't think Superman is capable of generating such a field, nor would he have the knowledge to know the specific frequency he'd need to transmit if he did.

There are all kinds of flaws with this though. Does that mean..what? Gladiator can't knock movie Surfer off his board? PC Supes can't?

It's one thing to say movie Supes can't knock him off, it's quite another to say it is literally impossible for any character to physically knock him off the board. I mean, Gladiator should be able to knock Surfer off his board with a finger flick. The Fantastic Four needed a machine because they had nobody capable of generating enough force to knock him off.

Though thinking about it, even movie Supes should be able to knock him off the board. His island feat putting him at way stronger(physically) then all the characters in the FF film's combined. Otherwise it's like the no limit fallacy just doesn't apply to movie Surfer, which would be weird.

[Deadman25]

Reacting to a missile is a reflex feat...[/QUOTE] correct, not a speed feat. as slow as those missiles were. we can put tony hawk on a hover board he could have dodged those missiles to.

[Deadman25]

Okay, stop.

Let's keep this as simple as possible.

Deadman25, please answer this scenario:

The Surfer turns intangible at the start of the fight, as is within his capacities shown in the movie, and then proceeds to pick off the Avengers one-by-one.

How do they counter this?

once Surfer goes offense on Avengers its really hard to say what can happen. not sure if Thor can help them out there or not. One thing I remember is that Surfer has to focus and activate phasing he wasnt always phasing. Like the part with the missiles he could have just stood there the entire time let the missiles go through his body instead of blocking them out of the way or letting the board absorb. Iron man and Hulk would have to make some sacrifices and distract him from the front, While thor gives him a good hit from Mjolnir from behind. People are making it sound like he is Kitty pryde and is always phased. has to focus on phasing, and he cannot attack while phasing after what we have seen. so if he is attacking Stark and Hulk thats when THor can make the move. if that doesnt work, Then I say Fury should call in Reed.

[Siriel]

Like the part with the missiles he could have just stood there the entire time let the missiles go through his body instead of blocking them out of the way or letting the board absorb.

I am curious as to why you would bring this up when it really adds nothing.
Yes, he could have, but chose not to. Was does that change here?

so if he is attacking Stark and Hulk thats when THor can make the move.

Why would he not go for the biggest threat? I mean, Hulk can't even fly.

if that doesnt work, Then I say Fury should call in Reed.

Which isn't allowed.

[Deadman25]

I am curious as to why you would bring this up when it really adds nothing.
Yes, he could have, but chose not to. Was does that change here?

Why would he not go for the biggest threat? I mean, Hulk can't even fly.

Which isn't allowed.

response to your 1st post. point of bringing that up is that he is not always phased. he never managed to phase in combat.

part 2. If avengers come up with a strategy they can have thor flying elsewhere just for afew while Stark and Hulk distract, then let thor come down and make his move. and Iron man can give Hulk a boost up

surfer is an alien, he doesnt know which one is more powerful than the other.

guessin the fight takes place elsewhere besides in the woods where the FF encountered the SUrfer.

[Siriel]

Where is Thor going to go in the arena that Surfer can't just follow him?

[Deadman25]

Where is Thor going to go in the arena that Surfer can't just follow him?

Sufer is focussing on Hulk and Stark here. And last time I checked SUrfer didnt follow anyone in combat he did his best avoiding confrontation.

[Siriel]

Sufer is focussing on Hulk and Stark here.

Once again: Why would he not take out the biggest threat first?

And last time I checked SUrfer didnt follow anyone in combat he did his best avoiding confrontation.

It's called bloodlust.

[Deadman25]

Once again: Why would he not take out the biggest threat first?

It's called bloodlust.

He doesnt encounter thor till afterwards. the plan is to have thor out of the way.
While 2 people are firing at you, i doubt you will be asking yourself hey where the hell is that other guy with the hammer. Hulk and stark are just distractions. Sufer focussed more on defense than offense.

Doom also managed to shock the hell out surfer without the board. YES I KNOW THAT WAS WITHOUT IT. I say THors lightning bolt can do more damage, but we dont know how much it can do while Surfer is still on the board.

[Siriel]

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