Movie Silver Surfer vs. Movie Avengers

[Siriel]

Yeah, that is how I remember it as well.
Not sure if the machine was actively doing so, or if it just severed the connection and he had to reconnect to it though.

I remember Doom calling the board to him with the device. So it probably hijacked the connection.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

I remember Doom calling the board to him with the device. So it probably hijacked the connection.

Yeah, that makes sense...
Well, as much as it could make, all things considered.
Why could they not just make the machine remove the cosmic energy or something? Instead of giving him his power from the board... Ugh.

[Siriel]

Well, if I had to defend the movie, I'd say it makes more sense for Doom to be able to make a separate gadget that calls the board after it's been disconnected than it does for Doom to modify the draining gadget to give him the powers without Reed noticing.

Beside, let's face it - Doom's comic-canon device to steal the Surfer's power is much sillier than anything in that movie. Even Cloudlactus.

[Deadman25]

Deadman25, we agree in this.

First off, it does not work the way that is being presented here. There must be feats of it being impossible to knock Surfer off his board to say it is impossible. We never go by "since it did not happen, it is impossible".
Second, The Thing is not on the level of Thor physically. For those of you who may have forgotten, Hulk was not that much stronger than Thor, if at all. And Thor definitely had great striking power with Mjilnor, just look at what happened to The Hulk when he hit him in the face.

Other than that, it is still not even a useful argument as neither of them can actually hit The Surfer.

They can still hit the surfer, even if he is durable enough to take it all. I mean Doom surfer had the same powers and durability as norean. He got knocked back about 25 feet from bens fist. Replace bens fist with Hulks or thor and think what more could have happened

[choptop]

Deadman25, we agree in this.

First off, it does not work the way that is being presented here. There must be feats of it being impossible to knock Surfer off his board to say it is impossible. We never go by "since it did not happen, it is impossible".

the Watcher is a mod on cbr i go by what he says.

The Watcher 06-18-2007, 06:45 PM
Remember though that even though the Board is the source of movie Surfer's power, it can't be separated from him by mere physical force. It took Reed building a device that emitted a specific tachyon field to jam the Surfer's link with his Board.

I don't think Superman is capable of generating such a field, nor would he have the knowledge to know the specific frequency he'd need to transmit if he did.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Well, if I had to defend the movie, I'd say it makes more sense for Doom to be able to make a separate gadget that calls the board after it's been disconnected than it does for Doom to modify the draining gadget to give him the powers without Reed noticing.

Beside, let's face it - Doom's comic-canon device to steal the Surfer's power is much sillier than anything in that movie. Even Cloudlactus.

Well, I agree that helmet was absolutely terrible...
I am torn between that and the weird cloud thing they tried to pass off for Galactus though.. But I wish neither existed.

They can still hit the surfer, even if he is durable enough to take it all. I mean Doom surfer had the same powers and durability as norean. He got knocked back about 25 feet from bens fist. Replace bens fist with Hulks or thor and think what more could have happened

You would be right, if he could not phase.

the Watcher is a mod on cbr i go by what he says.

The Watcher 06-18-2007, 06:45 PM
Remember though that even though the Board is the source of movie Surfer's power, it can't be separated from him by mere physical force. It took Reed building a device that emitted a specific tachyon field to jam the Surfer's link with his Board.

I don't think Superman is capable of generating such a field, nor would he have the knowledge to know the specific frequency he'd need to transmit if he did.

Cool.
And if he actually ruled that way then that is up to him.
However, without feats I am still going to disagree personally.
And, I am not saying that he can punch the connection away, if that is how it works. But without feats of him tanking a hit from someone like Gladiator hitting him with the Power Gem, I see no reason to actually believe he cannot be physically removed from the board.

[Deadman25]

the Watcher is a mod on cbr i go by what he says.

The Watcher 06-18-2007, 06:45 PM
Remember though that even though the Board is the source of movie Surfer's power, it can't be separated from him by mere physical force. It took Reed building a device that emitted a specific tachyon field to jam the Surfer's link with his Board.

I don't think Superman is capable of generating such a field, nor would he have the knowledge to know the specific frequency he'd need to transmit if he did.

reed came up with the device cause he doesnt have someone on the team strong enough to mele knock surfer off. If reed borrowed Thor or Hulk for the day, reed could have just come up with a stratedgy instead of worrying about building a device.

[Siriel]

And if he actually ruled that way then that is up to him.
However, without feats I am still going to disagree personally.

It wasn't a ruling, just his opinion, as far as I can tell.

But without feats of him tanking a hit from someone like Gladiator hitting him with the Power Gem, I see no reason to actually believe he cannot be physically removed from the board.

Which doesn't matter given that he can just call it back or phase before getting hit.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

the Watcher is a mod on cbr i go by what he says.

The Watcher 06-18-2007, 06:45 PM
Remember though that even though the Board is the source of movie Surfer's power, it can't be separated from him by mere physical force. It took Reed building a device that emitted a specific tachyon field to jam the Surfer's link with his Board.

I don't think Superman is capable of generating such a field, nor would he have the knowledge to know the specific frequency he'd need to transmit if he did.

Do you happen to have a link to said message?
Because that sounds a lot more like an opinion than a ruling as well.
Also, it definitely sounds more like he is saying that he feels that he cannot have his connection severed instead of being physically separated from the board.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

It wasn't a ruling, just his opinion, as far as I can tell.

That is what I was just saying.. blitzed!

Which doesn't matter given that he can just call it back or phase before getting hit.

Of course, but that does not prevent him from being physically removed. Barring the fact that he can phase, which I have been stating for ages now. :D

[Deadman25]

It wasn't a ruling, just his opinion, as far as I can tell.

Which doesn't matter given that he can just call it back or phase before getting hit.

Lets say Thor throws Mjolnir knocking surfer off the board. Hulk can go and Hulk Smash the board.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Lets say Thor throws Mjolnir knocking surfer off the board. Hulk can go and Hulk Smash the board.

Before The Surfer phases?
Not to touch the other million or so problems with this statement...

[Siriel]

Lets say Thor throws Mjolnir knocking surfer off the board.

Surfer phases through it or uses his superior speed to dodge.

[Holy Spirit]

Lets say Thor throws Mjolnir knocking surfer off the board. Hulk can go and Hulk Smash the board.

Surfer phases through it or uses his superior speed to dodge.

I'd imagine he could absorb the hammer, much like that missile.

[Deadman25]

Surfer phases through it or uses his superior speed to dodge.

we can put stark infront of surfer and keep letting Stark fire while Norean is distracted with absorbing all the fires through the board. while he is distracted Thor can make the throw from there. the only time he managed to phase was through Susan's shield.