Movie Silver Surfer vs. Movie Avengers

[choptop]

Reed and Doom were nowhere near as strong as Thor or Hulk.

you must have misst my point the tachyon pulse generator is a Machine Reed and Doom had to Build to get the Silver Surfer off his board it has jack to do with being as strong as Thor or Hulk.

[Cthulhu_of_R'yleh]

you must have misst my point the tachyon pulse generator is a Machine Reed and Doom had to Build to get the Silver Surfer off his board it has jack to do with being as strong as Thor or Hulk.

No, I got the point, I was just wondering if it could be done with sufficent force.

[choptop]

No, I got the point, I was just wondering if it could be done with sufficent force.

i see. no i dont think so seeing as in the movie they had to use a Machine.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

No, I got the point, I was just wondering if it could be done with sufficent force.

Sufficient force, yes.
The question is could they do it while he is phasing?
And I doubt it since they have no feats of it.
It would have to be out-quickdrawing him. Unless of course you think he is unable to phase energy..

[Cthulhu_of_R'yleh]

Sufficient force, yes.
The question is could they do it while he is phasing?
And I doubt it since they have no feats of it.
It would have to be out-quickdrawing him. Unless of course you think he is unable to phase energy..

No, I was just curious about the knocking him off the board. I don't see why he would be unable to phase through energy attacks. He is phasing after all.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

No, I was just curious about the knocking him off the board. I don't see why he would be unable to phase through energy attacks. He is phasing after all.

Yeah, I understand.
I definitely agree that he can be knocked off by either of them, so long as he is tangible.
And I only mention it because it is arguable (since not only did he not phase through energy but was specifically hurt by Tachyons) that he may not be able to phase energy. I disagree. I think the argument is not valid but I understand that there might be one.

[Siriel]

No, I got the point, I was just wondering if it could be done with sufficent force.

Sure.

The thing is that, IIRC, even if that happened he'd be able to call it back to him. The machine was actually to stop that from happening.

Not 100% sure though. And that is one movie I don't feel like watching again to confirm.

But they have no way to counter him phasing, so it's not really needed.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Sure.

The thing is that, IIRC, even if that happened he'd be able to call it back to him. The machine was actually to stop that from happening.

Not 100% sure though. And that is one movie I don't feel like watching again to confirm.

But they have no way to counter him phasing, so it's not really needed.

Yeah, that is how I remember it as well.
Not sure if the machine was actively doing so, or if it just severed the connection and he had to reconnect to it though.
And I, like you, refuse to watch the movie again.

[Rhyvurg]

I'd give this to Surfer. Even if he can't phase energy, he acted as if Doom's lightning shot was about as damaging as a water balloon. Thor's is stronger, but it clearly takes a considerable jolt to hurt him. And if you watch carefully, when he blasted Doom Victor's body was actually vaporized for a second or two, it reformed inside that iceberg thing. Note he left no hole from crashing into it. If Surfer can phase others, he could merge Hulk and Thor with the ground.

[choptop]

Sufficient force, yes.

did he get kickt off his board in the movie? if not we have no feats to back up him being knockt off the board with out the the hellp of the Machine.

[Deadman25]

Stark and Thor can distract Surfer by firing at him lightly and let surfer absorb all he wants through the board or phase. while surfer is distracted Hulk charges at surfer from behind knocking his ass off.

[Rhyvurg]

I don't know, knockoff Super Skrull Johnny couldn't manage to knock Doom off the board, he's pretty close to Thor's muscle.

[Deadman25]

I don't know, knockoff Super Skrull Johnny couldn't manage to knock Doom off the board, he's pretty close to Thor's muscle.

you talking about bens fist after Johnny combining all their powers ? Hulk is a hell alot stronger than movie ben. doom got flipped around after the swing from ben's fist but replace that fist with Hulk's picture what more could have happened ?

[Rhyvurg]

I didn't say Hulk, I said Thor. Hulk would never lay a hand on Surfer, he flies to fast and he phases.

[Syrile Demonthyst]

Deadman25, we agree in this.

First off, it does not work the way that is being presented here. There must be feats of it being impossible to knock Surfer off his board to say it is impossible. We never go by "since it did not happen, it is impossible".
Second, The Thing is not on the level of Thor physically. For those of you who may have forgotten, Hulk was not that much stronger than Thor, if at all. And Thor definitely had great striking power with Mjilnor, just look at what happened to The Hulk when he hit him in the face.

Other than that, it is still not even a useful argument as neither of them can actually hit The Surfer.