Will Wolverine continue to be an Avenger now that Cap has burned all bridges?

[RDMacQ]

Dude has like six voices in his head, one of them a dead person. That's way far away from perfect.

Still leagues above having out right supervillains on the team. Even at their worst, the Avengers are still superheroes.

[Lascoden]

Still leagues above having out right supervillains on the team. Even at their worst, the Avengers are still superheroes.

I guess I missed when Black Widow, Bucky, Namor, Victoria Hand, Scarlet Witch, and arguably Hill all were written off the roster.

[Kurolegacy]

And Frenzy is a big bag full of kittens?

[SilverZeal]

if Wolverine is no longer an Avenger after AvX ends then the whole event is worth it.

Hulk_is: Wolverine should have never been an Avenger anyhow. So, if he chooses to severe ties with the team it wouldn't be soon enough.

coveredinbees:I hope he leaves. I don't know if the X-Men will take him.

crossbones:

Will Wolverine continue to be an Avenger now that Cap has burned all bridges?

God, i hope not.

Jota: I hope he leaves and it would make perfect sense. So, it probably wont happen.

Agreed, co-signd & QFT 2 all d abv posts.

[tigerkaya]

Glad to see more people wanting Wolverine off the team. Maybe now this will bring Wolverine back to the loner and severing all ties with all the heroes except the X-men. Don't know about anti heroes. Though I'm guessing they probably hate him too.

[RDMacQ]

Glad to see more people wanting Wolverine off the team. Maybe now this will bring Wolverine back to the loner and severing all ties with all the heroes except the X-men. Don't know about anti heroes. Though I'm guessing they probably hate him too.

People wanted Logan off the team since he first JOINED the team. I don't think there are any more or less since that started.

[gforce99]

People wanted Logan off the team since he first JOINED the team. I don't think there are any more or less since that started.

Are there actually Avengers fans that want Wolverine on the team, ever? How about Spider-Man?

[XPac]

Dude has like six voices in his head, one of them a dead person. That's way far away from perfect.

Which is why I'm saying he's not perfect.

My point was merely that in an Avengers team setting, he seemed more controllable than he was when he was on his own in his solo book. I think being on the Avengers ended up somewhat of a good influence on him.

The thing about the Avengers, IMO is that the concept isn't just about them being the best of the best or whatever. I think very early on with the Kooky Quartet, it was also about helping some of them to become better heroes. Guys like Moon Knight and Ant Man 3 weren't asked to serve because Steve felt they were the greatest heroes he could get his hands on at the time... he got them because he saw potential in them to become better.

There's no denying that he was taking a chance with Moon Knight, the same way he took a chance with Hawkeye and Quicksilver and Wanda. And similar to Wanda and Quicksilver, the end results are sometimes far from perfect. But ultimately I think they're all better off with the Avengers than without them on their own.

[XPac]

Are there actually Avengers fans that want Wolverine on the team, ever? How about Spider-Man?

Sure. That's part of what people mean when they complain about them being cash cows. They're iconic marvel characters being put on marvels premier super team.

I'll admit historically I'm not a huge Logan fan... but I've wanted to see Spider-Man on the Avengers since I was like 8. And I think plenty of people have. All Avenger fans have their own wish lists of who they wanted joining the team when they were a kid, and undoubtedly many had both Logan and Spidey.

[RDMacQ]

Are there actually Avengers fans that want Wolverine on the team, ever? How about Spider-Man?

Yes.

I'm not sure why if you want Wolverine and Spidey on the Avengers, you're not an "Avengers fan."

[XPac]

Yes.

I'm not sure why if you want Wolverine and Spidey on the Avengers, you're not an "Avengers fan."

Yeah, that sort of mentality bothers me too.

People make this out to be some sort of "classic" vs "new" fan thing. If you're a classic fan the assumption is that you have to automatically dislike the current product, and if you like the new stuff it means you clearly must have started reading the book 4 years ago.

There are classic fans that like the new stuff and the new members, just like there are some that don't. That's just how it is. And you're a "real" Avengers fan of the "real" Avengers either way. People aren't NOT fans simply because someone likes or dislikes something you don't.

[CMBMOOL]

Glad to see more people wanting Wolverine off the team. Maybe now this will bring Wolverine back to the loner and severing all ties with all the heroes except the X-men. Don't know about anti heroes. Though I'm guessing they probably hate him too.

I was hoping that Wolverine would actually leave the X-men and the Avengers in the aftermath of Avengers vs X-men since both teams maybe in ruins when all is said and done.

I rather have Logan be the loner and anti-hero again, instead of the X-men flunky.

[RDMacQ]

Yeah, that sort of mentality bothers me too.

People make this out to be some sort of "classic" vs "new" fan thing. If you're a classic fan the assumption is that you have to automatically dislike the current product, and if you like the new stuff it means you clearly must have started reading the book 4 years ago.

There are classic fans that like the new stuff and the new members, just like there are some that don't. That's just how it is. And you're a "real" Avengers fan of the "real" Avengers either way. People aren't NOT fans simply because someone likes or dislikes something you don't.

I don't understand it either. I've read the Avengers since I was 10 years old. I liked seeing all these big Marvel heroes together. I mainly picked the book up because I liked Iron Man, cause Iron Man had cool armor, and Iron Man was an Avenger (which is why I tended to gravitate to West Coast Avengers more than the main book). And I wanted to see Spider-Man join up, since he was my favorite superhero and I thought it would be cool to see my favorite hero on the premiere superhero team. And why not throw Wolvie in too, while you're at it? He was pretty cool.

I really had no desire to see them on the team other than I thought it would be cool. I really didn't think about the "core" values of the franchise, or what characters fit the Avengers "philosophy." I was thinking about my own personal enjoyment. Was it selfish? Yeah, it was. But comics are a luxury purchase, meant to be bought for your own enjoyment. Why shouldn't you be a little selfish in your wants? Why should I have to conform to someone ELSE'S philosophy on what the book SHOULD be, when their definition of what it should be is vague and nebulous?

As it stands, the argument brought out that the Avengers are meant to be one group of characters over another is just nonsense, especially if nothing is done to explain WHY one group is more suited than the other. Why is Black Widow more appropriate than Wolverine? Why is Namor more appropriate than Spider-Man? Why is Hawkeye more appropriate than Luke Cage? Implying that you can't be an Avengers fan and be OK with these characters on the team is not a compelling argument, especially if nothing is ever said as to WHY it is or WHY the people who believe this way are more knowledgeable or "better" than fans who disagree. We are just supposed to "agree" that they are, without them ever having to prove their own worth. It's an entirely circular argument- they argue that Spidey and Wolvie aren't supposed to be Avengers because they "know" the Avengers, and the reason they "know" the Avengers is because they argue that Spidey and Wolvie aren't supposed to be on the team.

[XPac]

I was hoping that Wolverine would actually leave the X-men and the Avengers in the aftermath of Avengers vs X-men since both teams maybe in ruins when all is said and done.

I rather have Logan be the loner and anti-hero again, instead of the X-men flunky.

Prior to Schism, I thought it might be cool if Logan was on JUST the Avengers at least for a period of time.

I shouldn't be permanent or anything, because obviously Logan is Mr. X-Men... but I think that rather than having him on 2 teams might have been cooler.

Now it's not really an option. Even if Logan stays on the Avengers he's obviously still going to be an X-Men. The title of of the books is Wolverine and the X-Men. So he's not going anywhere.

[gforce99]

Yes.

I'm not sure why if you want Wolverine and Spidey on the Avengers, you're not an "Avengers fan."

I wasn't calling anyone out or accusing anyone. I personally think they are always out of place in Avengers, along with Thing. Its a novel idea for a few issues but it just doesn't seem to fit for me. Maybe I am an old fogie. I think my biggest beef with them is that they are used in so many other books, it pretty much breaks continuity every other issue since their own books (plus Wolvie in X-Men) would mean they are in 2 or 3 places at the same time.

To each his own. You can't fault Avengers success since they got involved. Not sure if thats the unusual characters or the writing. At least Deadpool and Punisher and Venom haven't joined yet.