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    Quote Originally Posted by infiltr8r0618 View Post
    I am admittedly a Captain America fan, so I fail to see what Cap did wrong.
    I am a Cap and a Wolverine fan, I have never liked the idea of him cheap shoting a friend and comrade like that, Like it was passable in civil war cause Tony did strike first.

    But here He pulled a scott, Logan and him disagree so he hits him out of nowhere?

    i would of had cap go "will deal with it when it comes to it" and then if the situation warrants cap can punch him

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    Once an Avenger always an Avenger. There are breaks though.

    I'm not sure Logan did anything wrong. He always acts that way, it is his MO. He did have a fellow Avenger Spidey with him (not invited but, Logan knew he was coming.)

    Cap was worried Logan would kill the young girl. Which shows you X-Men fanatics that some of you are way carried away with the anti-Avengers comments. They are all acting silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by custodes View Post
    Once an Avenger always an Avenger. There are breaks though.
    That's true all and all i can actually see logan letting this go, he wont be hanging out with Cap for a while but he wont cut all ties like with schisim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen-aku View Post
    I am a Cap and a Wolverine fan, I have never liked the idea of him cheap shoting a friend and comrade like that, Like it was passable in civil war cause Tony did strike first.

    But here He pulled a scott, Logan and him disagree so he hits him out of nowhere?

    i would of had cap go "will deal with it when it comes to it" and then if the situation warrants cap can punch him
    He tried to kill a kid when he was told not to. Cap could have had all the avengers jump on wolverine right then and there,but cap did some real shit and talked to wolverine one on one. Plus wolverine popped his claws on captain America and for the most part was trying to kill him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpoff! View Post
    He tried to kill a kid when he was told not to.
    Kid that will probably end up destroying the world, With what happened with wanda, more then a few avengers would probably take his side


    Plus wolverine popped his claws on captain America and for the most part was trying to kill him.
    Because Captain america the second most dangerous man on the planet attacked him, you don't give yourself a handicap when you take on Cap and wolverine wouldn't kill cap, hell he wouldn't evne kill Scott who was doing allot worse both morally and phisicaly when they had there spat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurolegacy View Post
    It's a bit of a hard question here, especially since it comes down to accountability. The teachers had chosen to stay back at the school in order to keep the students out of the fight, yet one of those teachers purposely instigated a fight and the other teachers didn't do anything to stop the students from running out the front door the second things started heating up. Personally I find that the blame here is on the staff since the Avengers agreed to keep their distance but Frenzy needlessly egged Moonknight on until he attacked. While I can understand Rogue's anger, Frenzy better not get off scotch free for this.
    yeah i saw this too

    Frenzy was looking for a fight, Sure the avengers probly didnt need to be there, but they did everything they were asked to do in order to be allowed to be there to do what they were there to do. They were reasonable, they gave in to every demand placed on them...
    and then Frenzy did what frenzy did

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    I don't entirely agree with Cap or Logan... but I understand their perspectives, so I'm honestly okay with both.

    In Logans case, he tried killing Hope. I think he jumped the gun there. But she is a potential global threat, and frankly I think if you're going to stop her you want to do it before she becomes Phoenix, not after.

    In Caps case, he threw a guy out of an air plane. But it's a guy that tried to kill a girl, and he did essentially screw up Steves plan. Brubaker said Steve wasn't really trying to hurt or kill Logan... just get a potential wild card out of the equation.

    The logic for both works well enough for both characters. It's not necessarily what I'd do in either situation, but I'm not WOlverine or Steve Rogers.

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    I Will admit sending moonkinght on this mission was probably a mistake, but at the same time do you really want him in the field where he may escalate things by killing someone?

    I can see Steve A. Beliving that Logan's X-men wouldn't be dumbasses and B. Sam and Jen could keep Spector calm

    but then...Frenzy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevedis View Post
    yeah i saw this too

    Frenzy was looking for a fight, Sure the avengers probly didnt need to be there, but they did everything they were asked to do in order to be allowed to be there to do what they were there to do. They were reasonable, they gave in to every demand placed on them...
    and then Frenzy did what frenzy did
    Ferny did what Cap did on Utopia, pushed someones buttons until the started a fight.

    If cap had not sent a nut-job as a peacekeeper the frenzy would have achieved nothing. Who was the one that attacked first, and why are the rule s different when it an Avenger doing it not a X-man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen-aku View Post
    I Will admit sending moonkinght on this mission was probably a mistake, but at the same time do you really want him in the field where he may escalate things by killing someone?
    then put hiim somewhwerre where hi job is nt to keep the peace and for gos sake not anywhere near children
    Quote Originally Posted by Zen-aku View Post
    I can see Steve A. Beliving that Logan's X-men wouldn't be dumbasses and B. Sam and Jen could keep Spector calm

    but then...Frenzy...
    Did you read what Hellion said, the Avengers keeping them on the school was essentialy a "Never Again" moment, and Cap would or should have known that.

    The situation was still salvageable until She-hulk inserted he foot up to the thigh with that "monster" line. to She-hlk he was a monster to the mutants he is a nice if slightly dimm-witted student defending his teacher who he saw being attacked by Moon Knight
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    Ferny did what Cap did on Utopia, pushed someones buttons until the started a fight.

    If cap had not sent a nut-job as a peacekeeper the frenzy would have achieved nothing. Who was the one that attacked first, and why are the rule s different when it an Avenger doing it not a X-man?
    dont know if i agree with that, i didnt view it as cap pushing buttons on utopia, he held back the helicarrier out of view, he was trying to talk, cyclops threw the first punch there too, not cap, so cap didnt do what frenzy did.

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    Will Wolverine continue to be an Avenger now that Cap has burned all bridges?
    God, i hope not.

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    As long as Bendis is writing Wolverine won't go anywhere.
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    It depends on marketing. If they want him to continue, Logan and Cap will share a brewsky (even though Cap doesn't drink, on account of his father having been an acoholic) burry the hatchet (prefereby in someone else's head) and become best buds agian, laughing about thoose good o'l times in which they tried to kill each other. If not, every time they meet, they will call each other's mommas names and bitchslap each other every chance they get, makeing any encounter between both a tense and unbearable situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomads1 View Post
    It depends on marketing. If they want him to continue, Logan and Cap will share a brewsky (even though Cap doesn't drink, on account of his father having been an acoholic) burry the hatchet (prefereby in someone else's head) and become best buds agian, laughing about thoose good o'l times in which they tried to kill each other. If not, every time they meet, they will call each other's mommas names and bitchslap each other every chance they get, makeing any encounter between both a tense and unbearable situation.

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    Logan's not actually on Caps Avenger team, so it's theoretically not that hard for him to continue being an Avenger even if there's tension between him and Steve.

    The arrangement Cap made with Cage was that the New Avengers were his crew and he could pick the team. Logan may not be getting anymore paychecks from Steve... but that doesn't necessarily mean Logan won't necessary decide to continue helping out the New Avengers. At this point they're his buds.

    And of course, it's easy enough to justify Logan parting ways with the Avengers, if that's the route they wanna take too. But I'm just saying because Logan isn't even on Caps scene, there's the flexibility to go either way.

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