I understand you believe that, but every comic up until AvX supported the opposite. Hell, when Cyclops did stand before the UN, he wasn't a representative of the US, he said he was representing Utopia. And I don't think the UN would have met to hear from a pretend country.
Your point about it's location makes more sense, but that raises even more questions. Why don't people on Utopia pay taxes? Why is there no government presence on Utopia? No inspectors to make sure the buildings are up to code? Furthermore, Norman Osborn wasn't exactly happy when Utopia showed up, so why didn't he just invade like the Avengers did? Since they were fighting the government at the time, the X-men could easily have been considered domestic terrorists.
It's sloppy writing is what it is. Utopia was sovereign until it wasn't convenient for the writers.
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What is unreasonable about people who read the X-books think that a nation is sovereign becasue it is called so it the books?
Is there anything in the books that states that is not so, there are things that state it is sovereign. Was there a subtle retcon somewhere or was Breevort just not keeping up with the X-books like he showed in the AvX telepathy interview here on CBR?
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I don't think the magnitude of Hope's powers would even come close to that of the PF's. The extent of which is impossible to measure (what was it again? The potential total sum of all future life in the universe?).
I'd choose the time gem over the mutant abilities of a disobedient 16 year old little girl... and I hate time-traveling!
I understand that the underlining message in superhero comic books, violence being the solution to the problem, but physically beating your opponent into submission only works 99% of the time.All the other players with enough power to meet it have been taken off the stage so this play makes sense, Handing this problem to Reed and Franklin Richards with Legion as additional "muscle" makes more sense than the Avengers playing with a problem they don't understand or have nearly enough power to do something about it.
This isn't one of those times.
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Sovereign nations/states have a form of government, laws, infrastructure, commerce, embassies, constitutions, and most importantly recognition as such from other nations. No one has told me what other nation in Marvel recognizes Utopia as a sovereign natio/state? I asked for it like over 10 pages ago, and nothing. I wonder why?
Besides, I don't know how much of a difference that would make. Taiwan and Palastine are recognized as nations but many, but they are still ambiguous.
1. The US would never surrender Territory willingly. Utopia is clearly in SF Bay off the coast of a major US City.
2. Utopia has no constitution, no passports, no currency, no flag etc
3. Utopia has no self sufficiency. it has no agriculture or manufacturing or any economy. Lack of Agriculture makes sense crops don't grow on pure iron.
4. Utopians don't have to go through customs to get into the US.
5. UN is not going to recognize a country without US approval especially one in US's territorial waters.
6. Utopia has no government bureaucracy of any kind besides Scott as Leader.
That is just off the top of my head. Genosha makes sense, Utopia does not.
Much less qualified then even Palestine or Taiwan.
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I think you're forgetting one important fact: It's a comic book. Real world laws don't determine the story. The writers and editors do. If they say it's a nation, it is. If they refuse to say whether it is or isn't, and leave it ambiguous, then it would depend on the writer.
And obviously Utopia is somewhat recognized, or else the UN would not have convened solely to listen to its representative.
Literally, the only argument that Utopia is part of the US is it's location. The US didn't give up any land. It's a friggin' asteroid.
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So when Cyclops appeared at the U.N., was it because they assembled to hear the concerns being voiced from a representative of a new sovereign nation? Or was it concern because, small as they are, the people of Utopia represent a significant threat if they decided to challenge the whole freakin' world? Did anyone actually say "We recognize the Utopia's sovereign status. What is it the delegate from Utopia would like to say?" Beyond the mutants' self-proclaimed independence from the U.S., I've seen no real evidence of their sovereign status... just a bunch of self-proclaimed nonsense. And, I think now that Captain America has stepped foot onto Utopia, the mutants' dreams of self-government have been shattered because America finally put their foot down on the situation.