Marvel Declares "No More Avengers" With "AvX" Act Two Teaser

[tg1982]

WatXM, he says getting a host is the only way to stop the PF.

Well in AvX it seems that Cyke only cares for mutantkind. "One could argue that the Phoenix coming here in the right host, is maybe mutantkind's last best hope." Doesn't sound like he gives to much thought to anything but mutantkind.

[gregyo]

And that to me at least is an example of potential compromise between Scott and Steve.

MAYBE if they could somehow join Hope and the PF in space far far away from earth, Cap might be okay with it.

Or maybe not, I don't know. I'm just not convinced that some sort of middle ground couldn't be found. Ultimately I think Cap just wants PF to not come anywhere near earth. If that's accomplished by sending Hope into space, everyone might walk away happy there.

Except Hope, who now has to live in space. =P
Maybe they could send her to a distant warrior planet and have a new book: Planet Hope

[Lascoden]

And that to me at least is an example of potential compromise between Scott and Steve.

MAYBE if they could somehow join Hope and the PF in space far far away from earth, Cap might be okay with it.

Or maybe not, I don't know. I'm just not convinced that some sort of middle ground couldn't be found. Ultimately I think Cap just wants PF to not come anywhere near earth. If that's accomplished by sending Hope into space, everyone might walk away happy there.

Cap wants to contain or destroy the Phoenix. He doesn't want them to join at all. They consider it a parasitic life-form. They won't expose a young girl to a parasite.

[Lascoden]

Well in AvX it seems that Cyke only cares for mutantkind. "One could argue that the Phoenix coming here in the right host, is maybe mutantkind's last best hope." Doesn't sound like he gives to much thought to anything but mutantkind.

I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. They live on Earth. They kinda need there to be an Earth.

[tg1982]

The way I understand it, moving Hope off Earth won't stop the Phoenix from scorching the Earth so the Avengers are wrong to try that. And they're wrong for trying to move Hope because the Phoenix WON'T scorch the Earth because it didn't in the past when it was bonded with another host through iffy manners.

So, the Phoenix will probably destroy the Earth anyway despite the Avengers efforts which makes them incompetent, and the Phoenix means the Earth no harm to preventing it from bonding with Hope just makes the Avengers evil. Or something like that.

That's sarcasm right?

[YagamiFire]

Cap wants to contain or destroy the Phoenix. He doesn't want them to join at all. They consider it a parasitic life-form. They won't expose a young girl to a parasite.

Well considering its behavior, I actually can't disagree with this. It does seem parasitic...and it has an insane amount of blood on its hands. Oh and he has, on his side, the only actual scientist that has studied this thing (Beast)...so yeah.

Okay so now that we've made it clear that nothing will be lost by having the would-be host and Phoenix meet up...and that Cyclops believes NOTHING can stop the Phoenix...

Wouldn't it be unbelievably tactically sound to let the Avengers have Hope, then the Phoenix shows up (remember it can't be stopped), it merges with her anyway...and then they do what they're going to do (restore mankind...or explode the earth, whatevs)...right? It's a win-win for Cyke.

[YagamiFire]

That's sarcasm right?

No that's actually the logic being employed.

[tg1982]

I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. They live on Earth. They kinda need there to be an Earth.

Then blasting Cap and instigating this pointless war is counter-productive to both their plans.

[XPac]

Cap wants to contain or destroy the Phoenix. He doesn't want them to join at all. They consider it a parasitic life-form. They won't expose a young girl to a parasite.

After AvX is over, is Steve going to spend the rest of his time hunting down and trying to destory Phoenix? I kinda doubt it.

As long as the immediate threat the Phoenix poses to the earth is over, I think he'll be okay not destroying the Phoenix and moving on to other stuff. Even if that means PF joining with Hope. Though obviously that's just my guess... we'll see. Maybe Steve and the Avenger will spend all their time after AvX hunting and trying to destroy PF. They certainly implied that after AvX there would be some status quo changes.

[gregyo]

Well considering its behavior, I actually can't disagree with this. It does seem parasitic...and it has an insane amount of blood on its hands. Oh and he has, on his side, the only actual scientist that has studied this thing (Beast)...so yeah.

Okay so now that we've made it clear that nothing will be lost by having the would-be host and Phoenix meet up...and that Cyclops believes NOTHING can stop the Phoenix...

Wouldn't it be unbelievably tactically sound to let the Avengers have Hope, then the Phoenix shows up (remember it can't be stopped), it merges with her anyway...and then they do what they're going to do (restore mankind...or explode the earth, whatevs)...right? It's a win-win for Cyke.

Only if the two teams trusted each other. They most definitely do not. And there no way Scott will give the mutant messiah to a group of people he doesn't trust.

[tg1982]

No that's actually the logic being employed.

yeah, but RDMacQ was being sarcastic in saying that's what he thought, right?

[YagamiFire]

Only if the two teams trusted each other. They most definitely do not. And there no way Scott will give the mutant messiah to a group of people he doesn't trust.

Mutant messiah...or person that nukes the earth. Either is possible. And even if you didn't trust them...why wouldn't it still be a good move? Hope gains infinite power no matter what...and bammo! Nothing they can do anyway right? Phoenix is super-uber unstoppable.

yeah, but RDMacQ was being sarcastic in saying that's what he thought, right?

Oh absolutely.

[gregyo]

Mutant messiah...or person that nukes the earth. Either is possible. And even if you didn't trust them...why wouldn't it still be a good move? Hope gains infinite power no matter what...and bammo! Nothing they can do anyway right? Phoenix is super-uber unstoppable.



Oh absolutely.

Maybe, I wouldn't presume to know what would happen should they bond. Until then, though, Hope is as vulnerable as any other super-hero and Wolverine showed that Hope would not have been completely safe with the Avengers.

I don't know what the ideal move would have been for Cyclops, but I understand his logic, like I understand Cap's.

[XPac]

Only if the two teams trusted each other. They most definitely do not. And there no way Scott will give the mutant messiah to a group of people he doesn't trust.

I think Captain America can be trusted up to a point (though Scott clearly disagrees). I don't think Steve would harm or kill Hope. He clearly was against Logan doing so. If Emma is reading Steve's mind, I'd think she'd know that Steve isn't planning on harming Hope... not that a telepath should even be needed to tell him that.

Ultimately I get why Scott isn't thrilled with the idea of surrendering Hope. But I'm not sure being in Steve's custody would really be all that bad.

[Lascoden]

Well considering its behavior, I actually can't disagree with this. It does seem parasitic...and it has an insane amount of blood on its hands. Oh and he has, on his side, the only actual scientist that has studied this thing (Beast)...so yeah.

Okay so now that we've made it clear that nothing will be lost by having the would-be host and Phoenix meet up...and that Cyclops believes NOTHING can stop the Phoenix...

Wouldn't it be unbelievably tactically sound to let the Avengers have Hope, then the Phoenix shows up (remember it can't be stopped), it merges with her anyway...and then they do what they're going to do (restore mankind...or explode the earth, whatevs)...right? It's a win-win for Cyke.

Except Cap doesn't wan them to join, under any circumstance. He's made that pretty clear. He thinks that it will be a death sentence for Hope, and the rest of the world. So, Cap does believe something will be lost if they meet up. And Scott saw a future where the Earth ended if the Avengers got Hope. Maybe he's afraid of what might happen if the Avengers were to get in-between Hope and the PF. So, there's a reason for Scott not to hand her over.