Marvel Declares "No More Avengers" With "AvX" Act Two Teaser

[Starfish]

So, any speculation on who's going to take down Doomclops in the end? Thor, Cap, or Logan, which would be quite predictable and a little bland? Maybe someone else gets to shine and save the day this time. Ms Marvel, to cement her new position as Captain Marvel? Storm, as she told Scott she's sticking around to make sure he doesn't cross the line? Or how about Wanda or Hope?

[LeonardEugenius]

Specifically I think the Avengers are at war with the X-Men because Beast and Cyclops on one end tried convincing Steve that Scott couldn't really be trusted, while Scott on the other end basically attacked Steve, basically justifying what they said. Yes, Scott and Steve on paper had differing goals... but it didn't need to become a fight until Scott turned it into one.

It frankly seems like X-Men on both sides of the issue are subtly and not so subtly pushing the Avengers into a fight with the X-Men for some reason.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. If you came to my house to ask me for something with 20 or so of your friends hiding in the bushes with guns, knives, & etc, then you definitely intended for their to be violence of some sort. I'm still of the mindset that Cap was out line calling in the Avengers to attack the X-Men after he had been attacked. At that point it was a conflict between him and Scott. Scott escalated things by shooting him. Cap, in turn, escalated things by siccing the Avengers on the X-Men. If AvX has taught us anything it's that Cap can't fight by himself. I jest, let's not go back down that road.

[mikekerrIII]

I guess I should have consulted with you, MikeKerrIII, the resident expert on made up sh#t.

What part of your rant is in the books?

[Spaced]

So, any speculation on who's going to take down Doomclops in the end? Thor, Cap, or Logan, which would be quite predictable and a little bland? Maybe someone else gets to shine and save the day this time. Ms Marvel, to cement her new position as Captain Marvel? Storm, as she told Scott she's sticking around to make sure he doesn't cross the line? Or how about Wanda or Hope?

There's probably going to be a Big Bad twist followed by a Deus Ex finale at the end of it.

[Brandon McKinnis]

Edit: I'm being out of line. Ignore is a lot easier.

[mikekerrIII]

Specifically I think the Avengers are at war with the X-Men because Beast and Cyclops on one end tried convincing Steve that Scott couldn't really be trusted, while Scott on the other end basically attacked Steve, basically justifying what they said. Yes, Scott and Steve on paper had differing goals... but it didn't need to become a fight until Scott turned it into one.

It frankly seems like X-Men on both sides of the issue are subtly and not so subtly pushing the Avengers into a fight with the X-Men for some reason.

I just would like you to answer one question: Where is the middle ground between Cyke and Cap even if they talked for days? The have diametrically opposed plans for dealing with the PF.

[Zen-aku]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. If you came to my house to ask me for something with 20 or so of your friends hiding in the bushes with guns, knives, & etc, then you definitely intended for their to be violence of some sort. I'm still of the mindset that Cap was out line calling in the Avengers to attack the X-Men after he had been attacked. At that point it was a conflict between him and Scott. Scott escalated things by shooting him. Cap, in turn, escalated things by siccing the Avengers on the X-Men. If AvX has taught us anything it's that Cap can't fight by himself. I jest, let's not go back down that road.

ok so what should cap of done after Scott shot him, Keep in mind had cap been a half a second slower he would of been killed most likley

[Zen-aku]

I just would like you to answer one question: Where is the middle ground between Cyke and Cap even if they talked for days? The have diametrically opposed plans for dealing with the PF.

Cap takes Hope in to space, With the x-men escorting her , if the phenoix comes to her then they will try and tame it, but being off earth will eliminate any threat to humanity

[Gorviss]

With all that's going on in the Avengers title...I believe that the public is going to start hating the Avengers and look to the X-men as the worlds #1 super group to protect them

[Genesis X]

You make it sound like any of the Avengers gallery of superpowered, hyperintelligent villains could stand being teleported to hell or burned by the Phoenix or have the water in their blood be frozen or have all the iron in their body moved into a concentrated area like their brain or their scrotum. Just all sorts of fun stuff could happen to Kang and Ultron and the Masters of Evil. A world without Avengers would be cool. At the very least, kill Wolverine and Beast. Please.

you don't know ultron do you? nor khang? nor hydra? nor Osborn? thanos? definitely not A.I.M, seriously the x-men (pre-schism) had their hands full with one namor would've lost to nerkkod had it not be for strange, the serpent could only be killed by thor and it would've kill them both (that's sort of the whole point of odin not joining and journey into the mistery)

Do you even know the roster of the Extinction team? If the Young Avengers can handle the likes of Kang, I'm pretty sure a lineup consisting of one of the world's premiere telepaths, a guy powerful enough to shift the planet's poles, a robot designed exclusively for trying to kill people, the avatar of Cyttorak, the demon sorceress ruler of Limbo, a woman who can control the weather, a girl so powerful she's considered the consensus candidate to house the Phoenix Force, the king of Atlantis and a guy who just managed to outwit Captain America multiple times in the span of a couple issues can handle him. Seriously, Namor may well be the second least dangerous member of the Extinction Team (Ahead of Emma), that's how powerful overall that roster is.

really more x-men fans should read more non x-men titles, and do it with out my fandom right or wrong mentality

Remember the good old days when someone could be an X-Fan and an Avengers fan?

I'll try to be a fan of both

The Avengers are out of line. They sent a Hulk, a reject, and a psycho to a school to make sure no other mutants join the fray. Those teachers left the school to go help defend their friends. The Avengers are pursuing Hope and the X-Men, not the other way around. Those people at the school have done nothing wrong. The Avengers' brand of prevention is a little broad sweeping. I wish Stark would've broken out the Sentinels. That would've really gotten rid of any doubt in X-Man's mind as to what kind of people they're fighting. That would be an all time low for post mind wipe Tony. I don't think the goal of either team is decimate the other, but the Avengers are definitely the aggressors now.

the thing that irks me tho, is that it is the x-men are at fault at this more than the avengers, yes sending a hulk was over board (again not like they were not given reasons, what with the school not being neutral, I blame it all in cyclops) but the avengers where about to just sit there and do nothing, and be nicely ignored, had it not been for frenzy, who apparently wanted to have a fight with the avengers (seriously did she really think she could take on a hulk), and yes she is the one who started the fight by inciting moon knight (she was blackmailing him) and she was there for a fight (notice how she had the knuckle bracers), and then rouge instead of watching out for the kids and letting someone who is, you know, actually free and not watching over kids handle this, jumps in (don't they have, like security) leaving the kids alone which then leads us to our next problem, the kids unsupervised go out, and try to fight (I mean seriously I don't they like teach relevant things on the school, like about WWH, and hulked out heroes,) a hulk now, I'm going to say this now, she hulk went easy considering she had a flaming glob herman, and hellion (who would have no regrets putting falcon, or even her on coma like he did to omega sentinel, and she was a friendly) coming at her and falcon, who at best is peak human on all his attributes, screaming mutant power, and she only thunder claps, which is bad but considering it was falcon (who could actually die) or them who would be fine and bragging about by next week, she made her call.

And what does rouge does, instead of stopping it all there, and asking frenzy what the heck was she doing there and if she was so worried about the kids taking them back to the infirmary, decides that the best course of action is to be emo and fight and leave the kids there unconscious and escalating the conflict, because that's what teachers do right? and the avengers facing the whole staff, and probably the student body too because we just saw what happen when you leave them unsupervised, decide to call iron man. This is not different than a cop shooting a teenager because the teenager pull out a gun on him and his mates, and considering this "cop" could've done much worse than just knocking them out, this went rather good


also this chapter also proved that rouge only gets hot and wet for guys who could be her grandfather, I mean seriously did anyone besides me kinda did a double take at the way she acted when she remembered kissing cap.

You don't have to agree with me. That's fine. I feel that the Falcon is a reject.

except you don't get to back up your arguments with opinion, no one does.

Wrong.

Didn't try hard enough, and it was She-Hulk that beat a kid.

The fact is none of this would have happened had the Avengers not been where they shouldn't have been.

considering that her and falcon (pretty much a normal guy) life were in danger, I say they got off easy, and this wouldn't have happened if cyclops wouldn't have not gone to the school to recruit troops (seriously the guy response to planets being blown up by his phoenix "you may as well say you want stop the wind from blowing") to the school and had teachers remained teachers, and had frenzy not gone over to start a fight with the avengers this wouldn't have happened

[XPac]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. If you came to my house to ask me for something with 20 or so of your friends hiding in the bushes with guns, knives, & etc, then you definitely intended for their to be violence of some sort. I'm still of the mindset that Cap was out line calling in the Avengers to attack the X-Men after he had been attacked. At that point it was a conflict between him and Scott. Scott escalated things by shooting him. Cap, in turn, escalated things by siccing the Avengers on the X-Men. If AvX has taught us anything it's that Cap can't fight by himself. I jest, let's not go back down that road.

Scott flies into US soil on a freaking weekly basis with a ship consisting of what he himself calls "weapons of mass destruction." I don't think that fact alone justifies the Avengers attacking him when he does it.

I think Steve was prepared for a fight yes... but I don't think you can say a fight couldn't have been avoided. That's where we are going to agree to disagree. I think finding some sort of middle ground was at least a possibility. The simple fact is neither Steve nor Scott even know what the other actually plans on doing... so who is to say any sort of middle ground is impossible. Now we'll never know.

I said it in Children's Cruasade and I'll say it here... Scott can't just shoot at someone two minutes into a discussion simply because things aren't going his way. A world leader can't operate like that. If he's unable to NOT shoot at people after 2 minutes of discussion, then send someone else to do it. Storm volunteered... maybe he should have sent her in the first place.

[Brandon McKinnis]

So, any speculation on who's going to take down Doomclops in the end? Thor, Cap, or Logan, which would be quite predictable and a little bland? Maybe someone else gets to shine and save the day this time. Ms Marvel, to cement her new position as Captain Marvel? Storm, as she told Scott she's sticking around to make sure he doesn't cross the line? Or how about Wanda or Hope?

I think it should be Storm, but it won't be. Maybe Emma. Either way it should be someone who realizes Scott has gone to far, but doesn't necessarily agree with Logan.

[XPac]

I just would like you to answer one question: Where is the middle ground between Cyke and Cap even if they talked for days? The have diametrically opposed plans for dealing with the PF.

I don't know where the middle ground is because I don't even know what Scott and Steve actually have planned.

That's ultimately the problem with Scott deciding to shoot at Steve 2 minutes into the discussion. MAYBE if they were able to discuss what each wanted, the might fight they aren't that far apart, It's at least a possibility.

[Spaced]

ok so what should cap of done after Scott shot him, Keep in mind had cap been a half a second slower he would of been killed most likley

Withdraw? Then he could have implemented his Plan B or simply reconsidered his actions & come up with a better way to achieve his aims.

Cap takes Hope in to space, With the x-men escorting her , if the phenoix comes to her then they will try and tame it, but being off earth will eliminate any threat to humanity

And if the Phoenix can't be tamed? Yeah, screw the rest of the universe so long as humanity is okay.

[LeonardEugenius]

ok so what should cap of done after Scott shot him, Keep in mind had cap been a half a second slower he would of been killed most likley

No it wouldn't have. Spiderman just got took an optic blast to the chest and he's fine. Cyclops' blasts are not death rays. Cap should have either continued to slug it out with Cyclops or leave. He could come back later with his team in plain sight instead of hiding with tons of anti mutant weaponry.